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Box Office Guru Wrapup: Transformers and Ice Age Tie for Top Spot

by Gitesh Pandya | July 05, 2009

Summary

The Independence Day holiday frame saw a rare tie for first place as Paramount and Fox both reported a $42.5M estimate for the Friday-to-Sunday span for their summer sequels Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen and Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs, respectively. Final grosses to be reported on Monday will determine the true box office champ. Universal's gangster drama Public Enemies opened in third with strong results as studios provided many different moviegoing options which ticket buyers were excited to see. The robots of Transformers dropped a steep 61% in the second weekend giving Paramount an eye-popping $293.5M total after just 12 days. That puts Michael Bay's tentpole pic at number 30 on the all-time domestic blockbusters list tied with 1999's The Sixth Sense. Ticket prices, of course, were much lower a decade ago when Haley Joel Osment was seeing dead people. Fallen also leaped past Pixar's Up to become this year's largest grosser and will top the $300M mark on Monday or Tuesday. Back to Article

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Bigbrother writes:
on Jul 05 2009 07:53 PM

Only drama left this year is if Harry Potter can run down Transformers for highest grossing film. I think Hangover has to be the biggest grosser so far. Expect more R rated comedies.

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Paints Hz Shirt Red writes:
on Jul 05 2009 08:03 PM

i think bruno will make some big bucks.

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Chris B. writes:
on Jul 05 2009 08:05 PM

yeah I can't wait for the new Harry Potter movie. I might go catch Ice Age 3 because I really enjoy 3D movies. I'm hoping to go see Bruno next weekend.

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Paints Hz Shirt Red writes:
on Jul 05 2009 08:05 PM

In reply to this comment (#2521451)
isnt transformers already the highest grossing film this year?

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Holly Jolly writes:
on Jul 05 2009 08:30 PM

I think Avatar has a better chance of beating out Transformers than Harry Potter. But I hope Harry Potter does really well.

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dalonoman writes:
on Jul 05 2009 08:36 PM

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No, Transformers cost a lot to make, market and distribute. It is just now entering into making a profit. Whereas The Hangover was really cheap to make, market and distribute.

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ledawg1138 writes:
on Jul 05 2009 08:56 PM

"Transformers" continues to do well, and "Ice Age 3" takes the box-office. Sad. Just sad.

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De4ective Detectiv3 writes:
on Jul 05 2009 09:09 PM

Yeah, but what all you people don't realize is that Transformers has already grossed 591 million when you account for the international gross. The Hangover, on the other hand, performed poorly internationally, with its total gross at only about 260million. Comedies don't translate well foreignly speaking.

What I find the most interesting though, is that while Ice Age may have only grossed like 60million so for in America, internationally it has grossed 148million, bringing its total to about 215million, which means it will probably surpass Ups profts(264 domestic 35 foreign = 300million).

Sure there is a lot of factors that play into this, like the actual range of release, but I find it sad that more foriegn audiences haven't discovered Up. As much as people critisize America for being unsophisticated, why is it when we do make something like Up it goes unnoticed?

If you guys are really that interested in box office grosses they do have a website dedicated to them, Boxofficemojo.

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Gimy writes:
on Jul 05 2009 09:09 PM

yeah, what a travesty with Trans 2. i can't believe an entertaining action film is still making that much. moronic public, don't they want to be educated when they go to the theater?? who goes to be entertained?! insanity...

saw Public Enemies, kind of disappointed. bale/depp combo should have easily equaled a high quality movie. just seemed like a slower version of Heat set in the 30's. it was decent but not as good as it should have been with that cast.

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tomwaitsjr writes:
on Jul 05 2009 09:11 PM

I'd be surprised if Bruno does as well as Borat, but I do think it may make #1 for the week.

But, no way it beats out THE HANGOVER.

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redstupid writes:
on Jul 05 2009 09:21 PM

Avatar needs to be fu**in titanic to even come close to Transformers whereas Harry Potter can be as sh***y as Transformers and still overtake it.

Ice Age is collecting more overseas because it was released in a lot more countries than Up. In India, for eg, Ice Age was released simultaneously with the world where as Up is no where on the horizon even after all these weeks.

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Bob S. writes:
on Jul 05 2009 09:31 PM

Disappointed in PUBLIC ENEMIES' performance. I really wanted to go see it this weekend, but alas ... circumstances prevented me from doing so. Next weekend I might check it out.

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tomwaitsjr writes:
on Jul 05 2009 09:44 PM

I agree that Avatar is going to make a mint. Plus, I think it's aiming to make a lot of money via the game.

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BatsInTheBelfry writes:
on Jul 05 2009 09:52 PM

This is about what I expected, so no big surprise here. I've been pretty disappointed in the summer movies through the end of June, though I haven't seen Up yet.

However, this past weekend I saw Public Enemies, which was pretty good. I'd give it a B plus. I also saw Moon which is a fantastic, solid A movie. It's my favorite of the year so far, and I highly reccomend watching it.

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danterandal19 writes:
on Jul 05 2009 09:53 PM

"Ice Age 3" was entertaining, but it definitely looked like a movie that would've benefited from the 3D screening, unlike "Up" (so I didn't like the 3D in that film- sue me!).

Way too early to be talking about this, but I'm not feeling the "Avatar" thing. It sounds cool, but there's no hype for the mainstream audience. I have seen nothing on this film, only fleeting glimpses of things, and the movie's coming out in less than 6 months. Besides, it doesn't sound like a movie that will appeal outside of the core Sci-fi/animation loving audience. For it to become the highest-grossing (or even a decently high grossing) film, it has to have an appeal to all moviegoers, and it doesn't seem like it will. Besides, animated action films (especially sci-fi animated films in general) more often than not bomb. For every "Beowulf" (which wasn't a huge success when you take the budget into account), there are 10 "Battle for Terra"s or "Titan A.D."s. that's my say on the matter.

"Harry Potter" in a week and a half. Oh and "Bruno" takes the top spot next week- even if the top movies this week drop by a decent 40%, all "Bruno" needs to win is 26 million, and "Borat" made that in one weekend.

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The Gentleman writes:
on Jul 05 2009 09:59 PM

What did you want? A 95% second week drop? 61% on a holiday weekend is still pretty steep. The good news is Transformers 2 will not surpass The Dark Knight. That's all I care about really... look at it this way at least the studio will make money so they can fund other better projects.

And, maybe it will Prince Caspian it out a little, forcing the studio to remove Michael Bay and then we have a chance at a GOOD Transformers movie again.

Public Enemies HAD to have Oscar calibur buzz around it and it failed to do so. For being a movie that got a B ranking, and having far less action than Transformers and being a historical movie, it did pretty well IMO.

I am pretty sad that Ice Age did better though, I will give you that.

I don't care about those dumb animals, I would still rather take my kid to Public Enemies in hopes of him or her learning something, over playing it safe with the kiddie crap..

Harry Potter could very well beat Transformers, but I think the buzz on that franchise could be slipping a bit. They could end up around the same gross. HBP might make more though.

*Domestically* the original Transformers outgrossed every HP movie, and the second movie looks to do the same. This would have to be the most popular Harry Potter ever.

I still believe when the smoke clears HP will destroy Transformers 2 when you take the international grosses into account!

With Transformers gunning for 380-390, Harry Potter will need to be HUGE.

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jaysix writes:
on Jul 05 2009 10:01 PM

To me, The Hangover is my favorite movie of the summer so far. Followed by Star Trek and then NADA...

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Losingsleep writes:
on Jul 05 2009 10:04 PM

The problem with Transformers doing as well as it's doing is that Hollywood will continue to dish out $200 million budgeted mediocre crap. It'd be nice to get a good script in the mix.

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ilnot writes:
on Jul 05 2009 10:07 PM

I hope the two best movies to come out recently, though they are not wide release, Moon and Away We Go can ultimately make a good showing. Having just seen both I definitely recommend them. I have to say I enjoyed Away We Go much more than its Tomatometer rating would suggest. I guess it is just my cup of tea.

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tomwaitsjr writes:
on Jul 05 2009 10:37 PM

I think the unspoken problem with Hollywood has a lot to do with all the damn people involved in the screenplay, all the re-writes, etc.

When I think of all my favorite films of all time, they usually have one screenwriter (at times the director), 2 max.

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Magic is Might writes:
on Jul 05 2009 10:55 PM

For a person who into gaming i can say that the gaming community does not give a crap about Avatar the game, so this movie has no buzz outside the hardcore audience, the game has no buzz, it has ZERO chance at being the highest grossing movie of the year.

P.S. Why is it that when a movie makea a ton of money people dont care but when Dark Knight made a ton everyone cares and wants no movie to pass it? I though box office return does not equal quality?

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Destroyer318 writes:
on Jul 05 2009 10:59 PM

Too close to call! Amazing! Or at least, it would have been if the films had performed well.

61% for Transformers 2 is pretty steep, especially considering the more gradual decline of the original.

Only 42.5 million for a threequel in one of the major animated film franchises? These historically inaccurate films seem to be losing their appeal.

The only film that should make anybody in Hollywood happy is Public Enemies. It performed very well for a film of it's genre and was solidly in line with expectations. Not to mention, it was a great film.

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RE4P3R writes:
on Jul 05 2009 11:01 PM

****ing huge drop for T2. Makes me happy.

About Bruno: I don't know. The amount of controversy behind it pales in comparison to Borat's (just as Angels and Demons was to The Da Vinci Code's). I'm expecting $20M at #3 or 4. Ice Age will still be first.

Also, how do people determine which is #1 when they are tied?

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tfortier writes:
on Jul 05 2009 11:06 PM

I heard David Yates, taking a leaf from Bay book, made Dumbledore explode at the end of HBP. There is no way HP cannot beat Fallen with such an ending. You know, Dumbledore... Kaboom! No one in their right mind would miss that.

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Magic is Might writes:
on Jul 05 2009 11:10 PM

why does it make you happy that a movie that millions of people liked had a drop? Are you that much of a loser?

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vashfanatic writes:
on Jul 05 2009 11:18 PM

Yay for "UP"! Keep hanging in there! I saw it this weekend, and it's my favorite Pixar movie since "The Incredibles". :-D

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RE4P3R writes:
on Jul 06 2009 01:20 AM

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Sorry for not being specific on why exactly I was happy, but don't assume it was because other people enjoyed it. :|

It makes me happy because the less money Bay makes, the less movies he churns out. Although my hope is arbitrary because $400M is good enough already. Hopefully his next film will drop by 80% (more if possible).

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Chris B. writes:
on Jul 06 2009 01:38 AM

Yeah, Avatar has absolutely no buzz at all. this website and others can post stuff about it all they want but I hear absolutely NO ONE talking about outside of the internet. People I work with and my friends talk on and on about how funny The Hangover was or they're talking about Transformers or something like that. I haven't met a single person who has even HEARD of Avatar or what it's all about. maybe when James Cameron finally decides to release a trailer is when people will start talking. idk.
and you guys talk about how all people want to see is crap. I'm willing to bet that 60 - 70% of people who go to the movies don't know how good or bad the reviews are on the movie they're seeing. when I go to the theater people don't talk about how they read reviews on rotten tomatoes or heard about Roger Ebert's review on such and such movie. they just go to the theaters and see the movie they want to see. not EVERYBODY does some kind of research as to find out what the reviews are like on the new movie they want to watch. I have spoken......lol

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Mick S. writes:
on Jul 06 2009 02:06 AM

Transformers is awesome - took my 9 year old son to see it - great film. The took my son and daughter to see Ice Age 3 - very funny.

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Geoff O. writes:
on Jul 06 2009 02:58 AM

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Someone said Ice Age will beat out Up on international grosses. You have to bear in mind that Up has barely been released internationally. Disney, for whatever reason, doesn't roll out its animated released simultaneously worldwide. Ice Age is playing in most worldwide markets and Up has yet to be released.

Example? Bolt came out in what, October or November last year? It didn't come out until February in the UK. That's pretty common practice for Disney as far as animated fare goes. Who knows why, but it is.

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Geoff O. writes:
on Jul 06 2009 03:00 AM

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Someone said Ice Age will beat out Up on international grosses. You have to bear in mind that Up has barely been released internationally. Disney, for whatever reason, doesn't roll out its animated released simultaneously worldwide. Ice Age is playing in most worldwide markets and Up has yet to be released.

Example? Bolt came out in what, October or November last year? It didn't come out until February in the UK. That's pretty common practice for Disney as far as animated fare goes. Who knows why, but it is.

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Geoff O. writes:
on Jul 06 2009 03:04 AM

Also, I'm amazed at all this talk of Harry Potter beating Transformers as the annual champ. Is HP6 hyped up that much more than the other five films? The first HP movie is the only one to break the $300M mark, and it ended around $320M. Goblet of Fire and Order of the Phoenix both grossed around $290M. If Half-Blood Prince is any good (I'm still not sure about this Yates guy. Order of the Phoenix was pretty bad), it might crack $300M, but it would require some serious legs to be anywhere near $400M, which is where Transformers is going to end up. Harry Potter movies, as wonderful as they are, don't have the same mass appeal as Michael Bay's stupid romps.

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De4ective Detectiv3 writes:
on Jul 06 2009 05:00 AM

Avatar has no buzz? Of course not, that's not how James Cameron works. He isn't letting anything get out. Even the game has a seperate plot. Avatar does have the most potential to overtake Transformer's gross, albeit, next year, since it doesn't release til september.

I think people forget that Avatar is still almost 6 months off, of course we're not hearing too much about it, the film studios have other movies to promote. One thing is for sure, Avatar will be the biggest holiday movie, and it wont have any competition afterwards, so it will probably get strong repeat business all throughout jan.

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FDBluth writes:
on Jul 06 2009 05:20 AM

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danterandal19, Avatar isn't going to be an animated film like "Beowulf" or that rip-off, cheaply done, rush-job "Battle for Terra". It's going to be live action with special effects. No wonder why your expectatios are low though, considering that bit of misinformation...

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Andrew W. writes:
on Jul 06 2009 07:50 AM

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"...forcing the studio to remove Michael Bay and then we have a chance at a GOOD Transformers movie again."

I wish that could be the case, but the studio will keep Bay around because he makes them money. He may not make them Dark Knight rich, but he is a reliable gofer on profits.

Bad acting, rushed scripts, and critic reviews don't matter to those stuffed suits and bean counters in Hollywood. Its all about the ROI.

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Bigbrother writes:
on Jul 06 2009 07:59 AM

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True, but HP6 does have a few things going for it that previous Potters didn't. It's not being released around Christmas like most of the others. Traditionally Summer movies have better audiences because people just have more free time in Summer. HBP is probably the best story to adapt if done right. The long build up for this incarnation since it was delayed, and lastly inflation. Not saying these things guarantee it's going to take Transformers, but it does have a chance. Avatar has no buzz, but as has been previously mentioned it still has time to build buzz. I'm glad they haven't decided to advertise this a year before it comes out. Also everyone talking about the Holiday weekend drop have to keep in mind which holiday it was. The 4th of July generally hurts movies more than it helps because people have BBQ's and fireworks displays to attend rather than movies.

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Magic is Might writes:
on Jul 06 2009 08:08 AM

Please explain to me how Avatar has the biggest chance to overtake Transformers when only niche audience has even heard about it? God i must be living in crazy world here, everyone one in the country knows about Harry Potter and it has a much much much bigger audience yet somehow a movie with no buzz and is targeted to a smaller audience is going to do better?

P.S. RE4P3R, wish all you want but just because you are a loser who hates Bay for no valid reasons that does not mean that one of the most popular directors is going to stop making movies that millions of people love. Why do you want to hurt the general audience just because you are a raving fool?

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Cole_Cash writes:
on Jul 06 2009 08:16 AM

Avatar doesn't need buzz right now. It needs it in 3 months. It may not make Titanic style cash but I think it will gross at least 400 million world wide. I think the 3D experience in a live action film will generate a huge amount of repeat viewings. If early reports are true this film could be the start of a new type of viewing experience at the cinema (which is sorely needed IMHO). I don't go to nearly as many films as I used to due to higher ticket prices and the fact that I have a 120 inch high-def movie theater in my basement. The audio/video quality from Blu-ray on my home system is better than any theater in my area which is why I hope 3D film making takes off.

The world loves James Cameron and rightfully so. Easily the best Canadian Director ever born. His films ALWAYS have excellent word of mouth which is the best advertising you'll find. Women love his films because he can actually create a female character with some depth. I can't think of one other action film director that can do that.

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D Effin W writes:
on Jul 06 2009 08:44 AM

In reply to this comment (#2521579)
Agreed. I think the Bay haters need to get their panties out of their butthole and loosen up.

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TombstoneLawDog writes:
on Jul 06 2009 08:44 AM

In reply to this comment (#2521581)
'Easily the best Canadian Director ever born'

..weird qualifier; 'Canadian' director-

I dunno that I'd put him on a 'top 10' list, but he's easily one of the greatest Science Fiction directors of all time.

Re: Transformers 2- I have been an unabashed enthusiastic fan of the first Transformers movie since it came out (not that anyone cares, but you can check my previous posts). Which is why it pains me to say how completely and utterly disappointed I was in Transformers 2. WOW what a collapse. It's like Bay heard everyone's insults and critiques of him and said 'know what? you're right. Let me shove this movie up my @ss.'

One or two cool scenes, one or two cool fights. The rest was silly, poorly-rendered and incomprehensible. Without going into every detail he trashed virtually the ENTIRE story he created from the first one. 'Megatron is the big bad!' ...'No, Megatron is the b#tch of this OTHER guy' 'Transformers have been searching for thousands of years for the all-spark' ...'NO, Transformers were here, thousands of years ago raping the planet for energy'

One of my friends said it best: 'Bay can't do sequels. Bad Boys was one of my favorite movies of the 90's and BB2 was a failure.' I agree with this. All the discipline, all the creativity and all the things that he did right in the first movie he f#cking TRASHED in this one.

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Tyler D. writes:
on Jul 06 2009 10:12 AM

I hear Megan Fox gave the movie "toe thumbs up"!! Get it - TOE thumbs up!! Haha, its funny cuz she has mutant thumbs.

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sorcerer's_cat writes:
on Jul 06 2009 10:31 AM

In reply to this comment (#2521492)
Tomwaits, as a screenwriter I can assure you that the multiple rewrites by multiple writers on notes from everyone from the producers to the coffee fetcher is certainly not MY idea. And watching someone else mangle my original idea is not exactly fun either. Problem is, the studio moguls of old set up this system--unlike a book author, I don't get to keep my copyright. It sucks.

Nice to see "The Proposal" had such a small drop despite the holiday weekend. I know it isn't the right genre for most of the posters here, but it's heartening to see a variety of film genres perform. It's already well into profit and looking good (which will hopefully assist the pitch for MY romantic comedy! ;-)

Hoping to see Public Enemies on Thursday. Sorry to hear some of you were disappointed.

As for the "most profitable" of summer debate, I'm going to predict it's going to be the Hangover when all's said and done. Trans2 cost $200 mil to make, another 100 mil plus to market, and let's not forget that Bay gets some ridiculous percentage of the gross (can't remember if it's first dollar or not, but he made over $75 million from Trans1). Hangover cost maybe $40 mill to make, none of the actors are big enough for gross profit deal, their marketing was incredibly limited (word of mouth has done more for that film than anything). I could be wrong and in the end Trans2 will eke out a win on sheer volume alone, but remember there's a huge hunk of its grosses that won't be profits.

I think everyone is underestimating Harry Potter -- it's going to be huge.

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Glenn W. writes:
on Jul 06 2009 11:35 AM

just as i was expecting, a huge dropoff for Transformers 2. it's probably make another $100 mil or so before returns peter out completely. i think the people worried that it'll outgross The Dark Knight have nothing to worry about, by no means does Transformers have the massive hype and glowing word of mouth TDK had (nor did it have Heath Ledger's final full performance, say what you will about that).

as for Harry Potter, i don't think it'll be as big of a success that people are hoping for, simply because all the Harry Potter mania has died down immensely since Deathly Hallows was printed, which feels like ages ago now.

Avatar? i'm looking forward to it, but there isn't a whole lot of buzz for it. maybe it's too soon for the buzz to really pick up, or maybe Cameron spent way too much time secluded in his mansion spanking off to the Titanic and people have forgot about him. Titanic was his last major motion picture and that was 12 years ago.

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Dave J. writes:
on Jul 06 2009 12:43 PM

Transformers 100% for teenagers who want to see more of Megan Fox, still doing well what is this world coming to. I guess there are more kids than sophisicated adults.

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Bigbrother writes:
on Jul 06 2009 01:17 PM

Nice assumptions Dave, maybe it was just people looking for a fun movie, but your superior intellect obviously puts you above the common muck and mire like me.

Also, can we stop using sayings like "it's not as good as The Dark Knight." or "It's not going to make as much as The Dark Knight." as if they were legitimate criticisms. The Dark Knight was a phenomenon. If that's your standard then only one movie in history has ever lived up to your expectations and thats Titanic.

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Dachshund96 writes:
on Jul 06 2009 02:13 PM

I don't understand how anybody can watch Ice Age with that piece of trash Ray Retardo. Nothing he says is funny. Nothing he does is funny. It would be nice if he died! :)

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Christopher256G writes:
on Jul 06 2009 03:09 PM

It's pretty relieving that it looks like Tranformers 2, the crap movie by prenomanant directing hack Michael Bay, will not join the league of the $400 million domestics. While not all of those $400m movies are great, even Pirates of the Carribean DMC and The Phantom Menace, both certain imperfect, far exceed Revenge of the Fallen in just about ever single concievable way. Bad word of mouth is going to cause Transformers to continue to fall like a rock. In a few years few people will even remember this hunk of junk even exsisted.

Harry Potter will probably beat it world wide. Domestic it'll probably top out at $350 million or so, so probably not there. I see Avatar comming up short to. When was the last time a movie as bad as Transformers 2 lead the domestic boxoffice for a year? That's just pathetic. Shame on you American public for being such gullible uniformed movie goers.

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Bigbrother writes:
on Jul 06 2009 04:35 PM

In reply to this comment (#2521694)
Nah, I'm sure amateur film critics like yourself will still be siting it as an example of how stupid the rest of us are and how movies like it foretell the end of quality cinema. Seriously people, did Michael Bay sleep with your wives or something? Let it go.

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Losingsleep writes:
on Jul 06 2009 04:37 PM

In reply to this comment (#2521492)
tomwaitsjr - You're completely right. The average studio goes through like 10 rewrites, some of the rewrite are even done from people who AREN'T screenwriters!

I've heard that Fox Searchlights does the least amount of rewrites, that why they come out with quality material... The Wrestler, Juno, Little Miss Sunshine, etc...

Too many hands in the cookie jar of mediocrity with Transformers 2

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ledawg1138 writes:
on Jul 06 2009 05:06 PM

In reply to this comment (#2521608)
I don't get it. Explain.

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Bigbrother writes:
on Jul 06 2009 05:24 PM

In reply to this comment (#2521730)
Allegedly, Megan Fox has a genetic condition that makes her thumbs short and stubby. It was in one of those Bay vs Fox articles. Not sure how it related, but there you go.

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Bigbrother writes:
on Jul 06 2009 05:47 PM

Pretty enthusiastic first set of reviews just out for Harry Potter 6. They've probably actually been up a while, but now there are enough of them that RT is showing them with an official tomatometer.

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ledawg1138 writes:
on Jul 06 2009 05:49 PM

In reply to this comment (#2521735)
Oh. Meh.

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Alex R. writes:
on Jul 07 2009 03:14 AM

What the hell is with all this transformers rubbish .. apparently it is absolutely crap YET IT MAKES ALL THIS MONEY.... I dunno what do people here think of it?

The only reason i would see it is for Meaghen Fox :) lol

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Alex R. writes:
on Jul 07 2009 03:16 AM

Seriously what is with all of this Transformers rubbish? Apparently its like CRAP YET IT MAKES ALL THIS MONEY!
What do people here think of it?

Oh yeh and the only reason that makes me want to see it is for Meaghen Fox!! :)lol

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Bigbrother writes:
on Jul 07 2009 05:54 AM

Alex R. reviews are mixed on here for Transformers 2. Everyone seems to agree it had faults, but debate over whether those faults were fatal is still raging. Some thought the plot holes or whatever were too much to get past and others thought the action and overall fun of it overcame most of it's shortcomings on a technical level.

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TombstoneLawDog writes:
on Jul 07 2009 07:42 AM

"debate over whether those faults were fatal is still raging"

...what is a 'fatal' flaw? I mean, the movie got made, lots of (unsuspecting) people are still going to see it, and both they and the movie itself will survive the movie's flaws.. more's the pity. Some screenwriter *should've* looked at this script, realized how many gross inconsistencies and gaping plot holes there were and, with a mighty stroke, stabbed their pen deep into this script in order to kill it. Now THAT would've been a 'fatal' flaw.

...Why is everyone here so surprised that a non-phenomenal movie can make huge sums of money? Spider-Man 3? PoTC 2&3? Shrek 3? ...oh, wait. It's because this movie was supposed to be the THIRD one in order to suck. I get it. Look on the bright side; If Transformers 3 sucks as badly as it can and probably will, you'll all be vindicated. And if it sucks less, we'll have a less-sucky movie experience. WIN!

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Evan_H writes:
on Jul 07 2009 06:11 PM

Why all the "hate" towards Micheal Bay and Transformers 2?
- Every time Micheal Bay makes a movie, a better movie didn't get made.
- The more money Micheal Bay movies make, the more incentive there is for studios to spend more on special effects instead of focusing on story and talent in future movies.
- The more screens a Micheal Bay movies is shown on, the less screens there are available for other movies. With Transformers taking up the two largest screens in all my local theaters, Public Enemies was reduced to premiering on smaller screens, and Moon didn't even come to my city!

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Bigbrother writes:
on Jul 07 2009 08:23 PM

In reply to this comment (#2521915)
I meant flaws on a more individual level. As in when people saw it and said "OK those two robots are racist I don't like this movie anymore." I'm nor sure you can compare POTC and Spiderman 3 to Transformers 2. For one thing Transformers though popular wasn't nearly as popular or well received as Pirates or Spiderman 1&2. Also, I remember the fan buzz being less enthusiastic for Spiderman and to a lesser extent Pirates 3. Transformers seems to divide people fairly clearly on the critics/hardcore cinema fans vs. Entertainment first/casual Summer moviegoer lines.

Really, this movie must have slapped somebodies kid with how butthurt people are getting over it. It wasn't the best movie ever made, it wasn't the worst. You'd think this movie was about a drunken child molesting Santa who simultaneously punches Jesus and attempts to disprove evolution with how desparate people are to badmouth it.

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