ROTTEN TOMATOES: Fahrenheit 9/11 Sequel News Comments

Fahrenheit 9/11 Sequel News

by Scott Collura | May 15, 2008

Summary

The culture wars continue. Inflammatory documentary filmmaker Michael Moore has announced at the Cannes film festival that he is planning a sequel to Fahrenheit 9/11, his acclaimed by some, loathed by others documentary about 9/11. Back to Article

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dcipher writes:
on May 16 2008 02:26 AM

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Um....if simply making things up and outright lying is "genious" then I guess so....

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TombstoneLawDog writes:
on May 16 2008 06:54 AM

Team Toiletry;

Does it cause you physical pain to be that abysmally ignorant? I mean, do you wake up in the morning with some interesting, intelligent thoughts and simply crush them with your iron will, desperate to remain an object of scorn and stupidity?

Comparing Al Gore to Nazi Propaganda?

It doesn't even matter whether scientists agree or disagree about global warming; ignorance like yours is dangerous to the planet. If I send you some money, will you promise not to procreate? I'm even willing to give you the benefit of the doubt you'll see a (live) woman naked at some point.

If you write back, I'll tell you what 'abysmally' means.

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TheCaptain of TeamLoyalty writes:
on May 16 2008 09:58 AM

Did Al Gore make a one sided propaganda peice that is disproven and used to push an agenda? Yes, did the nazis do the same thing? Yes. So they are the same.

I love tombretard thinks i am ignorant yet he is the one that believes al gore blindly.

I love how stupid you are, maybe you can learn what the word propaganda is then you can talk to me. If anyone should not be allowed to procreate it would be a blind little sheep like you. Oh Al Gore told you to jump how high are you going to jump little sheep? Poor little tombretard, liberal sheep, you make 2 year olds seem like Einstein.

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tabascoman77 writes:
on May 16 2008 11:05 AM

Well, Bush did say, while trying to get re-elected in 2004, that by saying the same thing one-sided thing over and over again and repeating himself, that he was doing it because he was trying to "catapult the propaganda".

So...going by your analysis and equating the spreading of propaganda (which the U.S. does distribute, too, make no mistake), Bush should be like a Nazi, too...right?

See, there are both sides.

C'mon, you guys...this is pointless.

This is exactly why I went Independent around 2005 mainly because I'm sick of the fighting and name-calling and want actual progress.

So far, the Democratic Party seems to have their head back on their shoulders again and we'll probably see Barak Obama in the White House in 2008 (mainly because nobody is going to vote the old-as-dirt, same-ideals-as-Bush, John McCain over youth and promise) but I want to see forward-progress and a different direction and have both parties unite for the greater good or else I WILL be voting for another party's candidate in 2012.

Let's get along here because all this fighting crap about which side is the best and talk about "Liberal sheep" and "Republican NeoCons" is incredibly outdated.

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TheCaptain of TeamLoyalty writes:
on May 16 2008 04:59 PM

The democrats are even in turmoil, way too much fighting between Obama and Clinton.

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TombstoneLawDog writes:
on May 16 2008 10:22 PM

'Tombretard'

D#mn, son. That must've taken you all day with a thesaurus and two friends. I'm honored, but you should probably take a nap now before the headaches start again.

Just to finish this romper-room debate:

I didn't say whether or not I believe Al Gore. I didn't even see his movie. You are a sad, weak-minded little creature for your blind hatred, ignorance and complete lack of depth, not for any political beliefs. I don't care what you claim to stand for because you're not bright enough to take the time or energy to understand any point of view that's not on the cereal box blocking your television.

I've wasted enough time with you. Good luck, son.

Tobascoman; kudos for taking the high road. I say to Michael Moore and all other documentarians- Bring it on. Teach me somethin' and hope that, whatever my beliefs, I have the brains to listen and seek the truth for myself. I do think Michael Moore needlessly diluted some very salient points by going for sensationalism. Good movie, though.

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tabascoman77 writes:
on May 16 2008 11:25 PM

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Andrew, that's called "democracy". The battle between two political rivals for the most coveted spot in politics is nothing new.

And to be honest, Hillary isn't going to be in it much longer. She's mathematically done. Obama is already prepping to beat McCain in November since he's got the most delegates in the race and is only 8 Super Delegates away from clinching 25 and he's already said that it's Hillary's right to continue to campaign, regardless of the outcome.

The Democrats are going to win in November, barring a major miracle on McCain's part.

I welcome Obama's POV and what he can bring to the nation and I look forward to the country uniting behind him.

Hey, Tombstone...

Thanks for the compliments. I'm the same way, too. I don't believe everything I'm fed and I'm smart enough to go out and do my research, no matter what I have seen.

I also find it VERY amusing that everyone trashes Michael Moore for his point of view and talks about how much he editorializes but, apparently, nobody seems up in arms over the books Ann Coulter writes and how many half-truths and lies she parades as "fact".

But, she has the right to do so because that's the way of things.

There is no harm in editorializing and giving your opinion. Dissent is what this country was founded on and that will never change. The fighting is done every single day representing every single major media source. It could be liberal, conservative, or otherwise, from Sean Hannity to Keith Olbermann, from Bill O'Reilly to Al Franken, from Rush Limbaugh to Randi Rhodes.

What you cannot deny is Michael Moore's ultimate point: to show that America is in trouble with Bush at the helm and, unfortunately, he's right. Things aren't so great right now. The economy is in the toilet, gas is over $4 a gallon (here in California, and elsewhere), and the President is itching to go to war with another country he can't even prove has any WMD's (yet again) and with whom the CIA has already exonerated.

I'm not gonna sit here and fault Bush for Katrina and the weather change (which is ridiculous because nobody EVER blamed Bush for either of the two, the conservative media in this country came up with that myth) but his response to Katrina was terrible and he refuses to help change the environment for the better. In his tepid response, you CAN blame him for making things worse.

In any case, I am happy to see things change. This country needs help and, right now, anything but Bush or his ideals are welcome.

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Sablicious writes:
on May 17 2008 08:42 AM

Even a documentary of the scale of something like 'War and Peace' wouldn't even scratch the surface of the corruption and malfeasance underlying the American political system. I foresee a 'Fahrenheit 9/11 Pt 13!

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TheCaptain of TeamLoyalty writes:
on May 17 2008 05:29 PM

I love how tombstone actually thinks he is smart. I HATE TO BURST YOUR BUBBLE BUT I AM SMARTER, ALWAYS HAVE BEEN ALWAYS WILL BE. Get over it, go ask your boyfriend for a better insult.

P.S. Obama has not clinched anything, he royally screwed up Illinois and he is way too liberal for most moderates to vote for so he may not win, he has to cater to the middle more and no pander to the far left if he hopes to win, basically all he has to say is that he is against abortion and he will win the election hands down, even though he still follows a pastor who thinks AIDs was created to kill the black man.

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bigbrother writes:
on May 18 2008 01:39 PM

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The difference is Al Gore wasn't responsible for the systematic genocide of over 6 million people. Seriously I've voiced my opinion about the overuse of the Nazi comparison, so I won't bore anyone with that again, but it's this kind of thinking which makes otherwise rational people believe that the basically hardcore college hazing that took place at Abu Ghurayb is somehow comparable to separating someones head from their body with a knife and broadcasting it on the internet. Many of the worlds problems would be solved if people could maintain a little perspective.

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bigbrother writes:
on May 18 2008 01:45 PM

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OK, I missed this first time thru with all the namecalling and such, and I haven't watched the news for a couple of days, but when the hell did John McCain become someone who "shares the same idea's as Bush"? I think you'd have trouble finding someone in the Republican party who's further from W than Senator McCain. Not sure which genius came up with that, but they're obviously retarded. McCain has frequently broken with Republican dogma and was virtually unelectable until recent times because he was considered too moderate. Is W too moderate for anyone? Seriously I'm baffled by that statement.

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tabascoman77 writes:
on May 19 2008 10:55 AM

"Obama has not clinched anything, he royally screwed up Illinois and he is way too liberal for most moderates to vote for so he may not win, he has to cater to the middle more and no pander to the far left if he hopes to win, basically all he has to say is that he is against abortion and he will win the election hands down, even though he still follows a pastor who thinks AIDs was created to kill the black man."

Well...if he "hasn't clinched anything", then why are he and his people getting prepared to fight McCain? :-/ I mean...if he screwed up, then why are the Democrats telling Hillary to quit? C'mon, Andrew...read the newspaper. The fight between Hillary and Obama is over.

And, as far as "Reverend Wright" goes, aside from the fact that nobody cares about that whole saga (everyone has a black sheep in their life that says or does dumb things...doesn't mean they agree with them or indentify them) is that it would be hypocritical to say it's not okay to have a minister or pastor that says horrible things but be all right with John McCain having a minister who ALSO says idiotic things such as calling the Catholic Church, "The Great Whore" or proclaiming that Katrina struck New Orleans because it was a punishment from God, both for having a homosexual parade and Bush's pressure on Israel to leave their settlements and land.

Nice guy.

Of course, media didn't care about what Hagee said and that was handled quickly and quietly.

In either case, while both men have people on their side who have said dumb things, it's a non-issue. Nobody cares.

I have an idiotic uncle who I love but keep at an arm's length because I can't stand what he says or does in life.

Obama WILL win in November. Mark my words.

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tabascoman77 writes:
on May 19 2008 11:36 AM

"...but it's this kind of thinking which makes otherwise rational people believe that the basically hardcore college hazing that took place at Abu Ghurayb is somehow comparable to separating someones head from their body with a knife and broadcasting it on the internet. Many of the worlds problems would be solved if people could maintain a little perspective."

Oh god...so, essentially, you're just echoing Rush Limbaugh's "fraternity hazing" quote? The fact that you're echoing Limbaugh and that you STILL believe it and actually have to FED that in order to justify the events at the prison just speaks volumes for how susceptible your brain is to propaganda.

What happened at Abu Ghraib is NO different than what happened with Daniel Pearl.

While we didn't murder anybody, we tortured them both physicall and mentally.

This is America.

The kind of crap that was pulled at the prison by our troops is something that Al Qaeda would pull, not US. And if you really want to come back at me saying "it's revenge", violence begets violence.

You want to take a look at WHY these people continue to hate what we do? There's a good example. We're supposed to be SETTING an example and ending the hate and destruction, not creating more of these guys because we chose to do something that Donald Rumsfeld (and even the President) apologized for.

I'm all for fighting terror and wiping these *******s from the face of the planet. I'm NOT for taking them out of their cells and beating them, raping them, pissing on them, shocking them, burning them with acid and then photographing it all (which was really stupid on their part). They're caught, they're gonna be tried and possibly executed anyhow.

The example to make is that it doesn't pay to attack us and that you will be brought to justice, not do the same things they do to our prisoners. That helps NOTHING.

But the mere fact that you JUSTIFY all of that by echoing Rush Limbaugh's cute little "hazing" explanation really makes my stomach turn.

I would think you're a more intelligent human being than that.

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tabascoman77 writes:
on May 19 2008 12:29 PM

Wait, how is McCain "further" from Bush?

Both support bans on gay marriage.
Both want to privatize Social Security.
Both approved of the surge and defend it.
Both said that the war would be quick.
Both say that the Democrats are "appeasers".
Both want a war with Iran.

That's just scratching the surface.

I'm sure there are several others...

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bigbrother writes:
on May 19 2008 12:45 PM

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OK bud, I'm going to ignore your obviously hostile tone and try to stay on subject. First off I never even heard the Rush Limbaugh quote as I try to avoid talking heads as much as possible. If you think you're the only one capable of forming your own opinions then you're just wrong and I can't help you. Secondly I don't recall any incidents of "beating them, raping them, pissing on them, shocking them, burning them with acid" What I remember was a naked pyramid with some redneck girl pointing at it like she was at a wrestling event. That aside, I completely agree with you that Americans should set a higher example than this and the actions that occured there DID deserve an apology, but on the same note you can't look at that and say taking someone and leading them around by a dog collar or placing a holy book in the vicinity of a toilet is comparable with decapitation or the willful killing of an innocent journalist or that because these yahoo's who lost their way did this, somehow now everybody the terrorists kill have it coming because we don't expect as much from the terrorists. Yes, we have to be accountable for our own actions, but we also have to not forget who the real enemy is.

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bigbrother writes:
on May 19 2008 01:02 PM

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Mate, give me any two politicians and I can probably find half a dozen things they agree on. You conveniently forgot to include McCains campaign finance reform stance, immigration policy and numerous other non-conventional conservative views. Also, I don't think McCain has come out hard one way or another on banning Gay marriage, which I can kinda understand if he did at least from the perspective of marriage as a religious ceremony. Each religion has the right to deny thier sactaments to whomever they choose. The most the govt SHOULD do is legalize civil unions where homosexual couples are granted all the legal benefits of marriage while maintaining the standards the churches put on the sacrement of marriage. I also don't see support for the surge as a bad thing, much better than pulling up chalks and making the last 5 years a complete waste and allowing Iraq to come apart at the seems. Like it or not, supported the war or not, we now have an obligation to those people. I think McCain did say the war would be over quickly, but was referring to the initial ground conflict in as far as he went he was right. You also neglected to mention how he was one of the harshest critics of Rumsfeld and his policies for AFTER the intial conflict. Lastly, no one WANTS a war with Iran, probably least of all a Vietnam era military man like McCain, but when you remove the option of military action you greatly reduce your ability to use effective diplomacy. You fall into the Team America "We will send you an angry letter, telling you how angry we are" style of diplomacy which is oh so not effective. I am not a sucker for propaganda, neither republican or democrat and especially not yours. Independant and proud of it and I will be voting McCain this year because I feel he has a serious experience edge over Obama and is a moderate enough thinker to heal the divisions we've experienced over the last 8 years. If you choose to do the same I'll be tickled pink, if not such is your right. God Bless America. I still think Obama is a good man, but don't particularly care for the political move of trying to paint McCain as another George Bush that you seem to have bought into wholesale. Propaganda is a double edge sword my friend and you've gotta be careful not to support the propaganda you agree with while dissing the ones you don't. Only you know if that's what you're actually doing, but that's the way it seemed to me.

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tabascoman77 writes:
on May 19 2008 01:18 PM

"First off I never even heard the Rush Limbaugh quote as I try to avoid talking heads as much as possible."

Riiiight.

He's the only one who said it and you must be listening to SOME talking head because that was echoed all over the right-wing blogs and radio stations as soon as Limbaugh said it.

"Secondly I don't recall any incidents of "beating them, raping them, pissing on them, shocking them, burning them with acid" What I remember was a naked pyramid with some redneck girl pointing at it like she was at a wrestling event."

Then, you need to go back and read the original report that was filed. It will make you wince. Yeah, these guys were far from innocent but you don't treat prisoners like this. They've been defeated and captured and will be punished. What happened at that prison will make you sick to your stomach. No human being should ever be treated like that. I don't care who you are. Punish them, bring them to justice, try them, let them rot, whatever...they should never have to endure that.

They'll get that treatment in Hell if there even IS a hell.

"That aside, I completely agree with you that Americans should set a higher example than this and the actions that occured there DID deserve an apology, but on the same note you can't look at that and say taking someone and leading them around by a dog collar or placing a holy book in the vicinity of a toilet is comparable with decapitation or the willful killing of an innocent journalist"

Yes, I can.

Ok, first, that wasn't ALL that happened. What you saw was the watered-down version.

Secondly, it IS the same thing. The same evil and anger that was seen in the murder of Daniel Pearl was also required when our own people did what they did to the prisoners at Abu Ghraib. All of the things I mentioned? That happened on top of the "naked pyramid" and dog-leashing.

Third, the acts that you describe (disrobing and being made to pose in humiliating photos, being led by a dog collar) are considered mentally abusive as well as physically.

Child molesters and rapists do that. I respect my military (I have family overseas) and I hold them in high regard because they're good people who believe in their country.

There is NO philosophical way you could possibly defend the actions that took place or even begin to say that it wasn't as bad as Daniel Pearl.

We may not have murdered those people but our military proved to us and the rest of the world that we are NO different than the guys we're fighting and that's a damn shame.

We may have thought that we were shaming and humiliating them and having a laugh over their situation and all it did was humiliate and bring shame on our country.

I don't know about you but I don't want to be thought of as the country that is capable of such actions and I am appalled that our troops did what they did.

I haven't forgotten who the enemy is but it IS funny you should say that, considering we took our eye off OBL who we gave weapons to during the end of the Cold War and went into Iraq to take out a dictator whose country we helped build and equip to fight Iran.

I want OBL caught and I want him executed for his crimes but I'm not so sure that the military knew when they were torturing POW's at Abu Ghraib.

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tabascoman77 writes:
on May 19 2008 01:38 PM

I do take issue with this:

"The most the govt SHOULD do is legalize civil unions where homosexual couples are granted all the legal benefits of marriage while maintaining the standards the churches put on the sacrement of marriage."

This is America.

Since when does the church make the rules in this country?

Since when is it any of their business to decide who is ready to marry who?

That's frightening.

Talk about civil rights being impacted...I thought we were past this point in this country.

Personally, I don't care if a person wants to marry a guy, girl, goat, or watermelon just as long as they're not murdering people or hurting kids in any way.

What do I care? Yeah, it's not my preference...but I'm sure a gay guy doesn't share my preferences either.

If you want religion to run YOUR life, so be it. The church should have no say in MY life nor anybody else's who does not WANT that.

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stoober writes:
on May 19 2008 03:28 PM

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have you seen triumph of the will? As disturbing and frightening as it is, its still powerful and incredible film making.

The honesty of Michael moore's work may be questionable, but his films are very well made, and he has genuine talent. he gets people to ask questions which I believe is his main goal. So his films are a success in that regards.

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tabascoman77 writes:
on May 19 2008 04:31 PM

stoober, you're absolutely right.

Moore's movies are editorials. They're filmic editorials. I will admit that easily.

However, everything I have seen in rebuttal to his movies has insulted Moore directly, rather than his accusations. Everyone who doesn't dismiss Moore himself, dismisses the movie and calls his stuff, "propaganda"...but has nothing to back that up.

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