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Box Office Guru Wrapup: "Fantastic Four" Clobbers Box Office Foes

by Gitesh Pandya | June 17, 2007

Summary

Fox scored its first number one hit in five months with "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer" which grossed an estimated $57.4M on its opening weekend, tripling its nearest competitor's sales. Back to Article

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SplendidIsolation writes:
on Jun 17 2007 07:06 PM

DOA looks like it could be the suprise hit of the summer.

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bookworm1994 writes:
on Jun 17 2007 07:11 PM

Too bad about Nancy Drew. That looked moderately entertaining.

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wakko54321 writes:
on Jun 17 2007 08:43 PM

In reply to this comment (#869784)
you thought nancy drew looked entertaining? what are you, a 9 year old girl?

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JMA writes:
on Jun 17 2007 09:02 PM

I wonder how FF will do next week.

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kendrith1975 writes:
on Jun 17 2007 10:14 PM

[b]now boxofficeguru is indeed really wanting OCEAN 1[/b]
While it is good that boxofficeguru is acknowledging the fact 13 only dropped by 47% on its 2nd weekend, he is still insisting that the movie will eventually gross less than OCEAN's 12. Now if 13 may gross more than 12, will he come up with the comment that after ticket price inflation, admissions still lower than 12?

The fact is OCEAN 13 is more well-received than 12, and it shows with the better than expected sophomore hold. I think it is time for boxofficeguru to acknowledge that there are a lot of obstacles working against OCEAN 13 to do well, and the fact 13 is doing quite good on its own merits, and may even stand a chance to eclipse 12's total grosses if the dropoffs continue to stabilize for the weeks coming.

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highdough writes:
on Jun 17 2007 10:40 PM

In reply to this comment (#869787)
Okay, I'll ask. What on earth are you talking about???

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villain78 writes:
on Jun 17 2007 11:46 PM

In reply to this comment (#869787)
I think it's a good indication that more mature fare like Ocean's 13 and Knocked Up are steadily holding strong. (I personally think those two are the best movies of the summer so far) It's the same box office effect that Devil Wears Prada had last year. These films marketed towards older crowds often do well in the long run compared to a lot of the CGI-driven summer blockbusters. I think O13 will equal its predecessors. Who cares what the box office people say? Those are strong numbers especially based on per screen average.That's very good. Also, both O13 and Knocked Up are recieving strong word of mouth.

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Bigbrother writes:
on Jun 18 2007 12:18 AM

In reply to this comment (#869786)
I think it will do well and surpass the original since it's a much stronger film and has already overcome the bad taste left over from the original. I'd say probably a standard 50-55% drop off.

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Mr. Boffo writes:
on Jun 18 2007 12:59 AM

[b]FANTASTIC BORE[/b]
Just saw RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER and I was not impressed. I used to read the comic and this left me disappointed. It was decent except for the final act. It seemed rushed at the end like they had to keep it to 90 mins or something. They should have added an hour and revealed more about Galactus. The movie just seems like a set-up for the next one where they'll probably face-off against Galactus etc.

It might be a GREAT idea to get Tim Story off this franchise before he tanks it. Lots of potential with this movie...none of it was explored.

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Bigbrother writes:
on Jun 18 2007 01:52 AM

In reply to this comment (#869791)
Really? I thought it nailed the feel of the comic. Johnny and Ben were raggin on each other while actually being best friends. Reed was super smart and nerdy, but commanding when he needed to be. Sue was simultaneously strong and a bit of a mental mess. Doom was meglomaniacal minus the "Let's go for a spin" line. Not sure what else they could have done here. I agree the ending was a bit rushed, but I guess it didn't ruin the obvious improvements they'd done for me.

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nalindra writes:
on Jun 18 2007 02:06 AM

[b]Sad!!![/b]
Sad to see films like FF earning 57 million since it was a stupid movie.On the other haand its good to see movie like ocean's 13 and knoked up holding up very well among crap films like fantastic four.

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aknddon3 writes:
on Jun 18 2007 02:24 AM

In reply to this comment (#869793)
Wait you think that Knocked Up is a good movie? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, FF2 is 1000 times better than that pile of crap and it was still only an okay movie.

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cgcbooks writes:
on Jun 18 2007 04:49 AM

In reply to this comment (#869794)
You would be entertained watching a turd being flushed down a toilet.

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Bigbrother writes:
on Jun 18 2007 04:52 AM

In reply to this comment (#869795)
LOL, and the gloves have come off!!!! God I love RT.

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Mr. Kong writes:
on Jun 18 2007 05:30 AM

In reply to this comment (#869791)
I thought it looked pretty good, but is the ending really just another one of those endings that feels like a preview for the a sequel? I just hate those endings.

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Bigbrother writes:
on Jun 18 2007 05:37 AM

In reply to this comment (#869797)
I would say not really. It's just very abrupt and a bit too simple.

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daycare writes:
on Jun 18 2007 05:49 AM

Fantastic 4 has better word of mouth then the first one. It should do well in the coming weeks. Happy that it did very well.

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Gimy writes:
on Jun 18 2007 05:58 AM

ok, SO F4 isn't Batman Begins...get over it. i actually like the series and even though the ending was really lame...its still better than some of the comic book crap we already have out. WHY exactly?? because they don't listen to the comic nerds and do everything EXACTLY like the comics. having the comic looking galactus would have been extreeeemely gay. i've heard you will be able to watch the test scenes when its released on dvd with Boy George in the full Galactus outfit though...just to see how it woulda looked had they gone the "real" comic way...

they've done a really good job of keeping every audience entertained. the adults, the nerds and the ESPECIALLY kids, hence the pg rating and minimum running time. like it or not people, the series is here to stay and as long as they don't try to appease ONE certain group...it'll keep working.

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laika86 writes:
on Jun 18 2007 06:23 AM

Very good weekend for fantastic 4. This shows how much spending power the 10 year old boy has. Let's be honest, no non-fanboy adult would go see Fantastic 4 without getting dragged by their kids. Its not a knock against the movie...it was aimed at the preteen boy and it hit its demographic very well (is transformers pg or pg-13?...I would say transformers should go the same route). But it didnt make that money because adults flocked to go see it. Its just too silly looking.

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Derbeste writes:
on Jun 18 2007 07:21 AM

[b]To the elitists only[/b]
Being harder to entertain doesn't make you smarter. It just makes you more boring.

FF was everything it professed to be and nothing more.

Besides, why shouldn't a younger audience have a super hero movie too?

(One that wasn't as boring as Superman btw)

I find it funny that many of these people Berrate FF for being "cartoony"......then go play World of Warcraft.

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the-russian writes:
on Jun 18 2007 08:03 AM

In reply to this comment (#869794)
LMAO. Best comment ever. Hey buddy, I heard Galactus was a big cloud, lol.

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blk_ballard writes:
on Jun 18 2007 08:15 AM

[b]Umm....[/b]
I actually really liked F4RoTSS I thought it was a hundred times better than the first one. Sure the dialogue and acting were campy, but it was good fun and I was entertained throughout the whole thing. The ending, although rushed, seemed to setup what will be a Silver Surfer Spinoff and the next Fantastic Four where they'll go against Galactus. Oh, and was I the only one who liked the idea of the gigantic cloud/ twister? I thought the effects were outstanding for that sequence.

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haelohm writes:
on Jun 18 2007 08:41 AM

In reply to this comment (#869804)
[b]Yeah[/b]
I liked FF2 alot as well...and yes the way they did Galactus was GREAT visually, it was a good choice to do him the way they did. I predict better than normal legs for this comic book movie.

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ayato72 writes:
on Jun 18 2007 08:53 AM

Saw hostel part 2 on Sunday, was the only one in the theater, and I thought it was just as good as the first one. I didnt want to see ff2 because i did not like the first one. I still hope long legs for the film because i might see it next weekend because i am not gonna see the stupid looking evan almighty. Then again there is 1408.

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LEGENDc writes:
on Jun 18 2007 09:00 AM

[b]The Best Hollywood Can Do[/b]
Saw Triad Election this weekend, Best movie so far this year. Wish Hollywood could make a film half as good.

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nalindra writes:
on Jun 18 2007 09:07 AM

In reply to this comment (#869800)
[b]True![/b]
Yes FF isn't a batman begins and its not even close.The way the story was built in batman begins and the ending itself was just awesome.Still FF was a PG movie for god's sake and its the most idiotic movie,sadistic story I've ever seen.Yes every comic book movie cannot be batman begins but atl east it can offer some story rather than a CGI surfer doing crazy stunts.So overall its as idiotic as this years ghost rider with just CGI and no soul in it.

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CannibalPenguins writes:
on Jun 18 2007 09:39 AM

So when does Craptastic Four 3 come out?

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nalindra writes:
on Jun 18 2007 10:15 AM

[b]They are Legends![/b]
I think we have to thank directors like sam raimi,christopher nolan and bryan singer for not ruining such fine characters like spiderman,batman and x-men.Bryan singer could have easily ruined x-men just like tim story and his crew ruined FF.Then again characters themselves in FF have no depth in their emotions and often end up expressing themselves in crap jokes.So from start FF was a crap franchise,sure it'll make money but it'll never go down in history as the bestcomicbook movie or a decent story insted it'll be always among the worst comicbook movies made just like hulk and ghostrider.

So why people support this movie is beyond me,plz don't encourage these types of movies coz that'll make studios to produce crap movies like this instead of making movies with an actual theme.

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bookworm1994 writes:
on Jun 18 2007 10:44 AM

In reply to this comment (#869785)
No, in fact I'm a 13 year old boy who doesn't think a film needs to include an excessive amount of sex, violence, language and drug use to be moderately entertaining. It's too bad your poor, mislead thoughts are telling you the opposite. Now go be monosyllabic to yourself.

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Ashron writes:
on Jun 18 2007 11:12 AM

In reply to this comment (#869811)
I'm constantly amazed that some of the smartest, most mature people on these forums are teenagers. People like you and Batspideykong give me hope for the future. (And I'm being serious)

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bookworm1994 writes:
on Jun 18 2007 11:19 AM

In reply to this comment (#869812)
Thank you, you're too kind. I'm used to people swearing at me and dismissing anything I say because I'm 13. At least someone actually LOOKS at the argument.

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Simsgil writes:
on Jun 18 2007 12:44 PM

Going in with low expectations, I thoroughly enjoyed FF2. One thought, though. Where does Reed buy all of his clothes that stretch (other than his FF suit?)

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aknddon3 writes:
on Jun 18 2007 06:25 PM

In reply to this comment (#869810)
Again another retard who thinks their opinion actually matters. Did you see Knocked Up? Why are you encouraging companies to make crappy movies like that but not good movies like FF2?

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zooman writes:
on Jun 18 2007 07:22 PM

In reply to this comment (#869787)
[b]he might be right in that O13 will make less[/b]
maybe he doesnt expect for oceans 13 to do as well as the second one because that's what has been going on with the third parts so far. Now, Ocean's might be the strongest third part of the summer yet, but it is probably the least anticipated and many who have seen the other two might not be expecting much new from this one. Still, I think the main reason the guru says that is that given the very tough competition, it has been proved hard for all of these movies to make that much this summer. This summer is not only gonna have big competition with huge budgeted films, but also with smaller more mature films like Once, Mighty heart, Waitress, away from her, you kill me, sicko (smartly manipulative at least, but smart). I personally rather see most of these films than oceans 13 in theaters, and while most of the people won't, they still are competition...

So, I think the guru is right. A lot of the people who really wanted to see oceans 13 are likely to have seen it already, and it faces very very tough competition from both the overly commercial, and the more artistic, or at least intellectual, side.

I was hoping Oceans would have at least done better than fantastic four, but people dont seem to have learned from the first one. I guess fantastic four is helped enormously by the fact that it is rated pg, while still is an action super hero movie with characters that many generations hold fondly..

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fynejackie writes:
on Jun 18 2007 07:51 PM

In reply to this comment (#869788)
The guy who wrote this article is just a ocean's 13 hater, because the movie is good and its box office is good- but the idiot is still talking negative about the movie.

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Mr. Boffo writes:
on Jun 18 2007 08:52 PM

[b]FF2[/b]
Galactus was a cloud in the movie. I'm sure he'll be back in FF3 and I hope they properly portray him (the giant man). A cloud/entity? That was just lame. The film had huge potential but they dropped the ball.

I do like the interactions between Torch and Thing...pretty funny. The Torch character is very well done when you keep the comic in mind....maybe a bit more of an ego than the comic version but it works.

This could have been a premiere type summer film but they messed it up. I think the Surfer got the initial crowd to the theatre. All the die-hard fans have come and gone (and I'm sure they were disappointed) so who's left? Probably not much...I bet the box office take is much lower here on out.

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screwhead100 writes:
on Jun 18 2007 09:24 PM

Galactus being A cloud/entity is the reason i didnt go to see FF2 in the theatres.........after i read the review where it said he was like a tornado on steroids i knew i would be dissappointed

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kendrith1975 writes:
on Jun 18 2007 09:55 PM

In reply to this comment (#869816)
[b]OCEAN 13's dropoff may stabilize sooner than thoug[/b]
Thanks for your response. Most updated tally of weekend grosses shows that s 13 only dropped 45%, which is even better than the original estimated 47%, which in turn was already much better than Boxofficeguru's forecasted 55% drop. I like to point out that most are counting on the fact that OCEAN 13 is released in the Summer, and it is not really teen/young adults oriented, and so it will suffer compare to 11 and 12's which has Christmas holidays to boost business. But little that boxofficeguru knows, 13 is more crowd-pleasing than 12, and the mid-week grosses were not too bad.

If 13's 2nd weekend dropoff already stabilized at 45% despite tough competition, it only means there are good word of mouth preventing the huge fall that everybody is anticipating, and that subsequent weekend dropoffs will continue to impress. I am very looking forward to a 3rd weekend dropoff of less than 40%, and that it needs about 55 million more to eclipse Ocean 12.

Now I am sincerely hoping for Ocean 13 to outperform 12, which is not much of a brag, but at least shows that not all 3quels/sequels disappoint, and that each movie tracked differently. For them to dismiss Ocean 13 like that, it leaves a very sour taste (and consipracy that they want OCEAN 13 to fail). But perhaps as you said, 13 is least anticipated among the sequels, so the boxoffice watchers aren't paying attention to its performance at all, thus decide to jump on the bandwagon of dissing all 3quels so that they can forget about it right away. I especially find it offensive that boxofficeguru commented on his forecast that 'nobody is loving the picture (13)' and so he just forecast a 55% drop, probably because that is about what 'unliked' sequels normally do, just like that!

I am basically not impressed with industry watchers quickly jumping on the bandwagon of dismissing any Hollywood product without more detailed analysis.

Now what if OCEAN 13 still gross less than the 11 and 12 in the end? For sure the box office retention is not going to be shabby. If the filmmakers are making 13 despite the disappointment that is 12, and 13 only manages to slightly underperform, that means chances of 14 being made will be high, which is ultimately what we fans care. Now I want boxofficeguru to acknowledge that despite all the negative things he wrote, he better make a fair comment that the OCEAN franchise is still alive and kicking!

As for other more mature films, I agree that there are a lot of choices out there, but to be honest, there are no breakouts yet. WAITRESS is supposed to be this year's LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE, or even IL POSTINO for that matter, but its grosses has stalled and may not make north of 20 million. Yet nobody would want to hurt this movie, and I admire boxofficeguru labelling this as a hit movie already.

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aknddon3 writes:
on Jun 19 2007 01:13 AM

In reply to this comment (#869819)
It was well done though, it would be too stupid to have a giant man in a purple outfit.

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Bigbrother writes:
on Jun 19 2007 01:46 AM

In reply to this comment (#869821)
I don't like the kid, but he's makin sense.

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selke99 writes:
on Jun 19 2007 04:54 AM

I think the reason the makers of FF2 don't really care to improve on the first one (haven't seen the 2nd one yet) is with the PG rating you get a much broader audience. My friend's 4 y/o kid doesn't give a crap about the development of the characters and thought the movie was awesome. I was pretty disappointed about the many plot holes of the 1st movie.
About Ocean's 13, even though this movie may be way better than the disappointing 2nd one, I don't see it making 55 million more (domestically) to surpass 12. I don't believe the first 2 had to compete with movies like SM3, Shrek3, Pirates3, FF2, Knocked Up, Harry Potter, Pixar, Evan Almighty and Transformers! For Oceans to make anywhere near what the first 2 made with that kind of competition is commendable. If anything, the studio should have released it again around Xmas.
And the comment about Waitress having stalled; Little Miss Sunshine I believe got to a wide release. Waitress is still in limited release. I think Waitress was the best movie of the summer I've seen so far, though I still haven't seen Shrek3, Oceans13, and Pirates3. I liked SM3 but the rushed ending and Tobey crying brought it down a bit for me. And Knocked Up was good but kind of uneven with a much more serious tone than 40y/o Virgin.

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tsalin@hotmail.com writes:
on Jun 19 2007 01:44 PM

are they planning a FF3?

didn't mind the movie. but when is mr fantanstic going to actually going to do a cool move? and not dance club cool were he picks up the ladies... could have done with out that.

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the-russian writes:
on Jun 19 2007 02:06 PM

In reply to this comment (#869823)
Well, you said it best. FF2 is for 4-year-olds.

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aknddon3 writes:
on Jun 20 2007 01:44 AM

In reply to this comment (#869825)
Oh yeah that is a valid statement...oh wait no it is not, it is just an opinion of a retard.

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kendrith1975 writes:
on Jun 20 2007 04:10 AM

[b]need to respect each other[/b]
These forums have become unwanted trash ground of personal attacks. What if many adults have a 4-year old inside their heart and may enjoy the movie?

Think we do not need to take every statement too personally.

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Silverevilchao writes:
on Jun 21 2007 12:07 AM

[b]Why is it that the awesome movies never sell?[/b]
Ocean's Thirteen was the best in the series, yet the worst grossing one. Stuff like Fantastic Four or Pirates (yes, it paled in comparison*), which pales in comparison sell more. That is just plain LAME.

*Pirates = overrated. I betcha half of the people who went to see it were dragged by their girlfriends so they can drool over Johnny Depp.

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BUCK69 writes:
on Jun 21 2007 06:25 AM

In reply to this comment (#869826)
Yet again, you show all of us, and the world, that you are an immature moron who couldn't formulate a valid argument if your pathetic, little, insignificant, life depended upon it. Your constant reliance on ad hominem attacks against every person who disagrees with you only shows your stupidity. By the way, "retard" is a verb, not a noun, you simpleton. It means to slow or prevent advancement, which is pretty much what your comments do to every discussion on this site.

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BUCK69 writes:
on Jun 21 2007 06:35 AM

In reply to this comment (#869825)
Well that would cetainly explain aknddon3's fodnness for the movie.

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Mr. Kong writes:
on Jun 21 2007 09:23 AM

In reply to this comment (#869824)
If it isn't planned yet, then I'll be very surprised. FF2 is doing pretty well so far in terms of Box office, and I heard there was sort of a cliffhanger ending.

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Mr. Kong writes:
on Jun 21 2007 09:31 AM

In reply to this comment (#869821)
....... agreed

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aknddon3 writes:
on Jun 21 2007 11:16 AM

In reply to this comment (#869829)
Wrong, retard can be used as a noun, continue to use ad hominems in your attack of me using them just proves that you are a retard and that you are a hypocrite. Go away you are a joke.

P.S. If you are going to attack at least be correct, retard as a noun means a person who is mentally challenged, you fucking moron.

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aknddon3 writes:
on Jun 21 2007 11:17 AM

In reply to this comment (#869830)
Oh the fag thinks he is funny. Go run along and watch SUperman Returns with the one other fan while us smart people like FF2.

P.S. Learn what a retard is. MORON

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Mr. Kong writes:
on Jun 21 2007 11:54 AM

In reply to this comment (#869834)
Oh for christ's sake, DON'T GET STARTED ON SUPERMAN RETURNS AGAIN! NOBODY CARES! AND A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKED SUPERMAN RETURNS! DEAL WITH IT!

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BUCK69 writes:
on Jun 21 2007 11:55 AM

In reply to this comment (#869833)
It is slang and it's an offensive term. Me pointing out the truth [that you are an idiotic, immature, moron] is not an attack of any kind. It's merely a statement of fact. It's a conclusion supported by your own juvinile remarks. And by the way, I am funny, but it is you who are the joke.

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Mr. Kong writes:
on Jun 21 2007 12:00 PM

In reply to this comment (#869835)
and before you say something like "UHH, NO! YOU'RE IN THE MINORITY THAT LIKED IT." look at this.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_returns/?critic=columns

76% from both critics and users. Hardly makes Superman Returns fans a minority.

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BUCK69 writes:
on Jun 21 2007 12:04 PM

In reply to this comment (#869834)
The proper grammer is "WE smart people" not "US smart people." If you could actually count yourself among US, you'd know that. It's been said that it is better to remain silent and appear ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Thanks for further proving the point.

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aknddon3 writes:
on Jun 21 2007 02:06 PM

In reply to this comment (#869836)
Oh so by your own admission me calling you or others retard is just me pointing out the truth. Try again dumbass. You are funny? You idea of funny is watching Barney make jokes. You are worthless and a walking joke. Try again little RETARD.

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aknddon3 writes:
on Jun 21 2007 02:07 PM

In reply to this comment (#869837)
p.s. NOT EVERYONE USES ROTTENTOMATOES SO YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY. TRY AGAIN.

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aknddon3 writes:
on Jun 21 2007 02:08 PM

In reply to this comment (#869838)
This is funny coming from the guy who thinks that retard is not a noun and can never be a noun. You lost, i am smart, you are not. How am i ignorant? Becuase unlike you i am right? Or is it because i attack people who think their opinion is fact?

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aknddon3 writes:
on Jun 21 2007 02:10 PM

In reply to this comment (#869837)
If that is the case then why was it a bomb? Why is it that the only source you can use is a site that only maybe 10-20% of the population even uses thus meaning that only 75% of 20% of the country likes it meaning that the majority hate the movie.

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Mr. Kong writes:
on Jun 21 2007 02:29 PM

In reply to this comment (#869842)
You said not EVERYONE uses rottentomatoes, so there are still a lot of people out there that like it (and admittedly a lot that hate it).

Oh I WILL try again; once you give me proof that I actually AM in the minority. And unless you have a link to a site that has actual evidence saying so, don't even bother bringing up the "Superman Returns was the most returned DVD" crap. Though I will admit you brought up a solid point.

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blk_ballard writes:
on Jun 21 2007 04:07 PM

[b]Okay...[/b]
This is getting insane! Seriously, watch your language and the name calling. Guys, when teenagers are the most mature people on this forum, there is a serious problem! I'm 16 and I don't understand why a thirteen year old can write a mature response whereas someone probably over twenty years old responds to a topic by calling his oponents retarded. Wow, this is sad.

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aknddon3 writes:
on Jun 21 2007 05:37 PM

In reply to this comment (#869843)
The box office proves a lot, other sites prove a lot. THe movie was generally disliked.

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Mr. Kong writes:
on Jun 21 2007 06:38 PM

In reply to this comment (#869845)
LINKS! LINKS! LINKS!

.... and what's wrong with 200 mil?

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Bigbrother writes:
on Jun 22 2007 12:42 AM

In reply to this comment (#869845)
Gonna have to bust you again, you're lying. 200 million at the box office is better than 95% of the movies out there and positive tomato meter says it was enjoyed by fans and critics alike. YOU and a portion of society that agree's with you may have hated it, but the majority of people liked it. Being a vocal minority proves nothing. Plus, I think with the set up of the first one Singer is getting ready to blow our doors off with the sequal.

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aknddon3 writes:
on Jun 22 2007 01:38 AM

In reply to this comment (#869847)
Not when it cost the movie 350 million to make. Most movies make their budget back, not that pile of crap. Me and THE VAST MAJORITY did not like it, critics(who dont matter) and people who post on Rottentomatoes liked it so that makes up maybe 20% if not less. Try again. Just because you are in the vocal minority does not make you the majority. I still want concrete numbers that i am in the minority because all signs point to me being in the majority.

Singer is never going to be able to change anything, unless he gets a real actor to play superman and not some weak little bitch, he kills off the child, and he gives superman more than 5 lines of dialogue and not to mention have him throw a punch. And since it looks like he will not do any of those things the next movie will be a failure too. There was not one good thing about the movie. They should look at FF2 on some pointers on how to make good CGI not like the shit in that crap movie.

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Mr. Kong writes:
on Jun 22 2007 05:05 AM

In reply to this comment (#869848)
250, but now that I think about it, you're right, Superman Returns didn't do the greatest in the box office, but 200 mil is still decent.

But I'm not just gonna take your word for it; I will only believe that i'm in the minority if you have a few websites not just saying 1 person's opinion, but a lot of people's opinions.

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Bigbrother writes:
on Jun 22 2007 06:10 AM

This is the most non-sensical argument and I'm ashamed I've become a part of it. The only way to conclusively prove that a majority of people liked or didn't like something is to poll everyone in the world. Even the suggestion of which is idiotic in the extreme. The God's honest truth is the vast majority of people didn't care one way or another about Superman Returns because like with every movie ever made the vast majority of the population of the world didn't see it. Think about it. Titanic is the most sucessful movie in history and made something like 1. 7 Billion or something. There are more than 7 Billion people in the world so even if everyone who saw if only paid a dollar...which they didn't BTW that means there are still ~ 5.3 billion who never ever saw it. There's your facts so can we please put this moronic argument to rest and never EVER mention Superman Returns again? Please. Arguing about this movie one way or another has just become sad and tiresome.

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BUCK69 writes:
on Jun 22 2007 06:11 AM

In reply to this comment (#869848)
You asked me to try again, but I don't have to try when you time and time again demonstrate your ignorance and stupidity. You are not smart. Smart people do not call other people names because they disagree with them. Smart people do not make hasty generalizations. Smart people do not make comments that are all-inclusive. Smart people do not make-up facts to support arguments, which are based soley on their own opinions [Superman Returns did not cost $350 million and it grossed well over $200 million]. Smart people do not ignore the truth because it is contrary to their own assertions [if 75% of given sample of people like something, those that don't, or the other 25% have to be in the minority]. I'm a lawyer and I teach college. I argue for a living, and I understand that the goal of arguing and discussion is not to prove who is right or who is wrong. It's a search for the truth. Unfortunately, you refuse to see that, which is why you continue to make unintelligent statements, resort to name calling, and show us all that you are, in fact, ignorant. To paraphase a line from "Batman Begins," here, it is what we write that defines us.

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Bigbrother writes:
on Jun 22 2007 06:11 AM

Sorry World pop is actually 6,602,224,175, but the point is still valid.

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BUCK69 writes:
on Jun 22 2007 06:28 AM

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Thanks, blk_ballard. I couldn't agree more and I'm man enough to admit that I was wrong to stoop to the level of aknddon3 by calling him a moron. I'd like to think that I'm mature enough and intelligent enough to formulate an argument without resorting to juvenile name calling. Words like "retard," "fag" and "moron" have no place in a well thought-out discussion, nor anywhere else for that matter. Besides, as I pointed-out before, here, its not who you are, but what you write that defines you. There's no need for name calling when aknddon3's posts speak volumes to that end.

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Bigbrother writes:
on Jun 22 2007 11:51 AM

Nooooo!!!!! (That was in slow motion in case you couldn't tell) Now he's going to consider that a sign of weakness and just rant harder. You have to understand RT is like prison my friend. It's OK to live to fight another day, but the moment you show weakness, the mongoloids will eat you alive. :)

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aknddon3 writes:
on Jun 22 2007 01:47 PM

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Except that is did not make up anything, it did cost 350 million, a little thing called marketing made it that much. So in your retarded mind 75% of rottentomatoe viewers equals EVERYONE IN THE WORLD? You just proved that you are not smart. 75% of maybe 20% of the people who saw the movie is not much, it is the minority. If you are a lawyer and teach college students then i feel sorry for our country and your students. You are a typical lawyer you think your OPINION is fact. Again i love how the ignorant person has the audacity to call me ignorant. Oh you are a failure at life, i am happy i do not have you as a teacher, i hate it when i am smarter than the teacher.

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aknddon3 writes:
on Jun 22 2007 01:49 PM

In reply to this comment (#869854)
Wow you need to calm down. But a pathetic attempt at attacking me. You fanboys are so funny.

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BUCK69 writes:
on Jun 22 2007 02:07 PM

In reply to this comment (#869855)
Show me where you got your information that the movie cost $350 million. That's not even close to the estimates that I've seen. You obviously know nothing about statistics [add that to the list]. You can only include the people who actually saw the movie. Its been correctly pointed-out that there are over 6 billion people on Earth and not "everyone in the world" saw the movie. 75% of the people who did see the movie and who were also survyed about it gave the movie a favorable review. About 75% of the critics who reviewed the movie gave it a favorable review. Those are facts. So based on a random sample the MAJORITY of the people and critics who saw the movie, liked it. Which puts you in the MINORITY. And you calling me a failure is not worth dignifying. I feel sorry for you.

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Mr. Kong writes:
on Jun 22 2007 02:28 PM

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I deleted the post. Appreciate the warning.

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Bigbrother writes:
on Jun 22 2007 03:45 PM

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I'm as cool as a cucumber my brother, no need to calm down here. How did I attack you again? The post wasn't even directed toward you. In it the only thing that even mentioned you was the ranting portion which us both being Americans I think we can agree is my right to state as an opinion. Unless of course you are referring to the mongoloid thing. In which case, you made the call, not me.

Have I mentioned how much I love this site lately?

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Ashron writes:
on Jun 22 2007 04:24 PM

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Yeah, it's always entertaining when Akn pulls out his claws and the poor schmucks who realize he can't be tamed try anyway. I just sit back with a beer and some popcorn

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aknddon3 writes:
on Jun 22 2007 09:24 PM

In reply to this comment (#869857)
Warner Bros. The producers of the movie. See that is called a credible source. So if i interviewed five people and they all hated it would it be acceptable to say that the vast majority hated it? That is what you are trying to say. Rottentomatoes makes up maybe 20% of the people who saw it so that means taht 80% was not interviewed. THUS YOU ARE WRONG ONCE AGAIN. You need to learn statistics, Rottentomatoes is not a valid sample set. Try again. The facts point to me being in the majority and you retard, in the minority. Learn about stats first then talk.

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Bigbrother writes:
on Jun 23 2007 03:01 AM

In reply to this comment (#869861)
Have you noticed everyone else has gotten tired of this whole stupid argument but you yet? Let it go, move on with your life and do great things. No one has to get hurt here, just walk away, no one has to die, just walk away, just walk away.

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knowingtoast85 writes:
on Jun 23 2007 03:40 AM

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I'm pretty sure lots of people haven't gotten tired of this argument, which is why a Box Office Wrapup story is topping the Hottest News. Then again, the argument could be about anything, and we could extend it to a few hundred posts so long as we throw in some insults.

That's what makes the internet great, though! I dunno, I like it.

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selke99 writes:
on Jun 23 2007 10:46 AM

At the risk of sounding like a tamer version of aknddon3, I just wanted to get my 2 cents/opinion in on Superman Returns. I didn't think it was crap but I was pretty disappointed, although I realize this is probably the hardest superhero movie to make (he has only one weakness, whereas all the other superheroes you could just shoot them and they would die). I thought Routh was fine, he just didn't have much to work with in terms of the script. Bosworth looked too young and was too much of a whiner/pouter for Lois. The kid angle didn't bother me that much and was a nice twist on the story. But is Lex really that stupid to want to turn everything to that rock crap where you can't even live on it? Before the showdown with Superman I believe he is shown just sitting at the table looking bored. Is that really representative of a criminal mastermind?

A big reason I like this site is because it takes a sample of critics around the nation to come up with the tomatometer. This may be unrealistic but I wonder how much of a percentage of newspaper/online critics rotten tomatoes takes out of all the critics to come up with their score.

And about production values. According to boxofficemojo.com, Superman Returns brought in 391 mil worldwide (200 mil domestic) with a production budget of 270 mil. While this is technically an 80 mil profit, you have to believe that WB was expecting MUCH more than this, especially domestic, since this was the first Superman in a while and you had Singer attached to it. Compare this to Batman Begins, which actually earned 5 mil more domestic (371 mil worldwide) with a 150 mil budget (more than twice the profit). You have to believe that WB thought a family-friendly superhero like Superman would have a much broader appeal than the darker, brooding Batman Begins. I don't have time to look at Spiderman but I'm certain the first make 3-4 times it's production and SM2 maybe twice. SM3 may bring in a sizable profit because of it's worldwide gross. So technically while Superman Returns did earn a profit, it was still disappointing considering how much money it cost to make.

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~*Admiral Snowstorm*~ writes:
on Jun 24 2007 09:59 AM

Another teenager joining the fray here.

Aknddon. Look at the Tomatometers of the two films we seem to be split on. You'll notice that Superman Returns came out with more than twice of what Silver Surfer did. Silver Surfer is an accomplishment on its own terms in the fact that it was better received than its predecessor. There's a whole 10% margin there and as a sequel to an abysmal movie such as Fantastic Four, it should be recognized that Silver Surfer did quite a bit better than many expected. But did it ever occur to you that the fact that Superman Returns made a sizable of money in the Box Office and was received reasonably well by critics might mean something? If that means nothing to you, then just take a look around. Barely anyone here agrees that Silver Surfer was anywhere near the quality of Superman Returns. In fact, I think it's you and maybe a thimble's worth of other people. Again, opinions are opinions, and you are entitled to yours just as much as I'm entitled to mine, but just stop and think for a minute.

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aknddon3 writes:
on Jun 24 2007 12:46 PM

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Lets see, it cost Superman Returns 350 million and they only made 250 million, that is a failure. Silver Surfer was about 1000 times better and most people would agree, see you want to know why? BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE CHARACTERS. Johhny Storm does not have an illigitimate child, ben grimm is not skinny and does not throw a punch and the fantastic four actually have more than 5 lines in the movie, oh and no kryptonite island. Superman Returns is of such low quality and is seen as that by most people. See you are the one not thinking, you honestly are in the minority that thinks the movie is good, i never went to a movie and heard so many complaints while leaving. Even a lot of the critics were iffy but they mean nothing. Now i am right and you need to try again.

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Bigbrother writes:
on Jun 24 2007 01:07 PM

I actually like both films, and shockingly for the reasons you state. Fantastic 4 was a very good loyal adaption of the comic, and Superman Returns did some interesting things with the character and set up well for a sequel. They have to change things from time to time. That's called developing the character. There's nothing more boring than seeing the same old tired act over and over again. The Superman we see today even in the comics is far different from the one we saw when he originated because somewhere along the line people like Brian Singer said, let's try something new. God knows I'm glad for it. Have you ever read some of the old pre-Frank Miller Batman's and Daredevils? Talk about not translating well to modern day.

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cgcbooks writes:
on Jun 24 2007 04:35 PM

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Hey idiot, Superman Returns did not cost 350 million dollars to make. By the way, Fantastic Bore Dropped over 65 % it's second weekend. Another failure for Marvel. Ha, Ha, Ha. DC rules. Always has.

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aknddon3 writes:
on Jun 24 2007 04:38 PM

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Hey idiot that is how much it did cost. MORON. Failure? Hmm, marvel had only one failure yet almost all DC movies were failures. Try again. DC SUCKS, MARVEL RULES.

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aknddon3 writes:
on Jun 24 2007 04:41 PM

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, CGCBOOKS IS A MORON. If DC rules then how come Marvel is kicking their ass in everyway possible, comic sales, movie sales, more liked, more publicity, better characters, better writers, better directors, better actors, better movies, etc. Not one thing is DC better at. So go cry about how the only successful DC movie was Batman Begins. How come Marvel has two of the highest grossing movies ever yet DC does not?

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cgcbooks writes:
on Jun 24 2007 04:49 PM

In reply to this comment (#869869)
Marvel has had many failures- Elektra, Ghost Rider, Fantastic Four two, Daredevil, Hulk, and I am sure Ant Man and Magneto, ha, ha will also join that list. Marvel has only three good properties and one of them is already going down hill fast. If it wasn't for Spider-man and X-men, Marvel would be way in the hole. Nice try though. DC forever!!

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cgcbooks writes:
on Jun 24 2007 05:01 PM

Marvel is THE most overrated comics publisher in the world. DC comics is the biggest publisher of comics and graphic novels in the world. They are also more innovating. Crisis and Watchmen for instance. Superman was the biggest selling comic book for decades. You must be living in some Freakin fantasy world. Keep on telling yourself that Marvel is so great. You might just believe it some day. Ha, Ha, Ha. DC forever.

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Mr. Kong writes:
on Jun 24 2007 05:17 PM

In reply to this comment (#869870)
Superman Returns cost 250.

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aknddon3 writes:
on Jun 24 2007 05:26 PM

In reply to this comment (#869871)
Ghost Rider did not fail, FF2 is still out and on its way to success, Daredevil was a moderate success and Hulk was not a failure, try again. So what does DC have? Hmm, wonderwoman? Oh no they cant find a director, how about Flash? Oh same problem. But SUperman? No that was a huge failure, so they only have Batman. That sucks. DC sucks. Lets see marvel has X-Men, Spiderman, Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Ghost Rider, Blade, FF, Avengers so they are in great shape.

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aknddon3 writes:
on Jun 24 2007 05:29 PM

In reply to this comment (#869872)
Wrong, Marvel has more comics and graphic novels each year than DC. Try Again. Crisis was not innovative it was a bore and rehash. Like typical DC writing when they run out of ideas of helping their messed up continuity they just start from the begining. Marvel has innovative stories, Civil War, Marvel Zombies, House of M, Planet Hulk, World War Hulk, etc. I live in the real world where Marvel is the leader in the market and that they are the best company, keep living in the past, this is not 1955 anymore.

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aknddon3 writes:
on Jun 24 2007 05:29 PM

In reply to this comment (#869873)
Hmm who to believe, the company that made it or you? I will trust the company when they say 300-350 million. Try again.

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Mr. Kong writes:
on Jun 24 2007 06:38 PM

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And where did you find this? Give us a link, not just "Oh, I read it somewhere, so I'm right and you're wrong.

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aknddon3 writes:
on Jun 24 2007 10:03 PM

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I got it directly from Warner Brothers. That is including the marketing which is what you are probably leaving out.

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zooman writes:
on Jun 24 2007 11:03 PM

I got out of Superman Returns with a headache, feeling terribly sick from it, a power that the thin fantastic four franchise cannot dream of, but thats not a good thing for superman either. I maybe have a trauma regarding 80s movies, and superman brought the empty atmosphere of the big 80s movies back to me. Yet, it is a more worthy movie than the F4 series, more thorough in its also boring plot, doesnt treat you down as a stupid summer flick consumer, and is better executed in what it does than f4.It is even a full success in homaging those awful (in my opinion) movies from the 80s and their awful pseudo nyc movie atmosphere, but in a better taken care of version. I think the majority of critics and even moviegoers will somewhat agree to the general idea that superman returns is above F4 standards (as an example there is the tomatometer and also imdbs users who gave F4 5.9 out of 10; F4SS 6.6 so far though it is likely to go down after the hype; and superman 6.9), but its good to hear that some people can enjoy F4 so much as aknddon, good for him and good for the people involved in the movie.

(I dont really know why I am taking the time to post this really, but well, I typed it and now I guess I get the priviledge of putting up my opinion in here)

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aknddon3 writes:
on Jun 25 2007 12:05 AM

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So wait, everyone who watches movies rates them on this site and IMDB? Wow i should tell hundreds of my friends and family that do not that they should because i guess we are the only ones in the world.

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BUCK69 writes:
on Jun 25 2007 05:23 AM

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There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. You really are a pathetic little man [or boy]. FF2's total box office take so far is a sorry $57 million. Let's wait and see if it gets anywhere near Superman Return's $391 million.

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cgcbooks writes:
on Jun 25 2007 06:04 AM

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Zombies is innovating? Ha,Ha,Ha. You are a nut case. It has been done to death. Civil War is a big bore. DC comics have been on top for years. Keep on dreaming my friend.

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cgcbooks writes:
on Jun 25 2007 06:04 AM

Batman 1989- $411,348,924 worldwide.
Batman Returns-$267,000,000 worldwide.
Batman Forever-$337,000,000 worldwide.
Batman and Robin-$238,000,000 worldwide. Made money! was not a bomb!
Batman Begins-$372,000,000 worldwide.
Superman-$300,000,000 worldwide.
Superman Returns-$391,000,000 worldwide.
I couldn't track down the worldwide box office of the other 3 Superman films. Also, if you adjust for inflation except for Superman Returns, the other DC films grossed even more. They also had smaller budgets. Proving that DC films are doing very well and will continue to do so. DC RULES!

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cgcbooks writes:
on Jun 25 2007 06:09 AM

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Thor will bomb and FF2 is sinking fast. Blade is a big failure also. Iron Man could work. You should think seriously about taking up stamp or coin collecting. DC rules. Thank you and good afternoon.

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cgcbooks writes:
on Jun 25 2007 06:39 AM

In reply to this comment (#869875)
Superman was the best selling comic in the 60's and early 70's. DC comics has more name recognition with their characters than Marvel. And DC has always had the best writers and artists. And one man didn't take all the credit for creating their entire universe. Jack Kirby was the real force behind Marvel. Not Stan Lee. Lee was and still is an overrated hack writer. Even Steve Ditko had more to do with the success of Spider-man than Lee did. Wake up and smell the coffee. Thank you and good afternoon!

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cgcbooks writes:
on Jun 25 2007 09:43 AM

Comics Buyers Guide Fan Awards:
(All years are when the work was done; awards are given the following year)
Favorite Publisher [award was created in 1997]
1997 DC
1998 DC
1999 DC
2000 DC
2001 DC
2002 DC
2003 DC

I couldn't find the information on the years after 2003. Probably DC. Thank you and good afternoon.

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zooman writes:
on Jun 26 2007 09:42 AM

In reply to this comment (#869880)
nah, its just an ok sample, especially imdb for people in general

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