The creepiest moments of "Saw" films are when Jigsaw explains his diabolical tasks to his victims. Yeah, seeing people getting ripped apart is cringe-inducing, but we want to see some more of that banter. Actor Tobin Bell promises more verbal sparring with the new victims in "Saw IV."

"There's a guy in this film that we've never met before, who I can only describe him as being disenfranchised," said Bell. "Jigsaw comes into contact with this guy and they're like total opposites in certain ways. I view Jigsaw as someone who is basically living on a frontier in some ways. Imagine those guys on the moon. Many people talk a good game about the things that they care about in this world, but they do nothing about it. He, right or wrong, steps forward, does what he does. So this guy he runs into in this film, or their paths cross, this guy is one of the lost of the world."

Jigsaw has previously spoken to doctors and cops. The lesser characters only get to hear him on tape. This may be the first time Jigsaw has faced an intellectual lesser. "As I think about it now, although Jigsaw is extremely well educated, he's a philosopher, a mechanical engineer, he had everything to live for in his previous career, this other guy had never had anything. There's an interesting dialogue between the two of them. Anyway, you get to meet this guy in the film. I think it's a very interesting juxtaposition."

As an actor, Bell appreciates the rhythm of his "Saw" dialogues, including their use of silence. The described scene applies those concepts too. "It's in the scene where he talks to this guy who's disenfranchised, totally disenfranchised. It's interesting to have two people that come from totally different worlds, totally different training having this conversation, this dialogue. To be honest, I'm doing most of the talking in this dialogue."

"Saw IV" is released October 26.