Who's Who in Transformers 2? A Visual Guide
Summary
This Wednesday, the forces of Michael Bay and Co. return to the multiplex with Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, which picks up two years after the events of 2007's Transformers. As the humans work in secret with Optimus Prime and a line-up of Autobots to battle the malicious Decepticons that remain hidden on Earth, Sam Witwicky (Shia Labeouf) is gearing up for his own challenge: freshman year at college, where his relationship with girlfriend Mikaela Banes (Megan Fox) must endure its own tests -- namely, an alluring co-ed with her eye on Sam (Isabel Lucas). Read on to catch up with the new and familiar 'bots, villains, and humans of Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen! Back to Article
This Wednesday, the forces of Michael Bay and Co. return to the multiplex with Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, which picks up two years after the events of 2007's Transformers. As the humans work in secret with Optimus Prime and a line-up of Autobots to battle the malicious Decepticons that remain hidden on Earth, Sam Witwicky (Shia Labeouf) is gearing up for his own challenge: freshman year at college, where his relationship with girlfriend Mikaela Banes (Megan Fox) must endure its own tests -- namely, an alluring co-ed with her eye on Sam (Isabel Lucas). Read on to catch up with the new and familiar 'bots, villains, and humans of Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen! Back to Article
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on Jun 23 2009 07:02 PM yeah, I'll try to remember each robot's name while they try to beat the hell out of each other. hahaha (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 23 2009 07:09 PM Damned spammers. Hate them all. Cool list, by the way. Look forward to seeing Jetfire and his Pimp Cane on the big screen. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 23 2009 07:45 PM Who cares what the critics say this movie is going to be amazing. It will amaze all TF fans (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 23 2009 08:07 PM No Wheeljack or Prowl, but we get Arcee? I say boo-urns. (Reply to this) |
on Jun 23 2009 08:35 PM omg down to 25 percent, this is NOT good. Thank god Bay wants a break. I did like the first one for the record (Reply to this) |
on Jun 23 2009 08:37 PM In reply to this comment (#2516071) I was hoping for Prowl as well, thought maybe he would take out Barricade, since he is basically a ripoff of Prowl. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 23 2009 08:47 PM In reply to this comment (#2516071) I'm irked by this news as well. It's a crime, man. Two Transformers films and no Wheeljack, Prowl, Mirage, or Hound, and then Jazz is trifled with and killed off in the first movie. Now, apparently, Jetfire is being portrayed as some old cain wielding geezer. (sigh) Makes no sense. We get these idiotic 'Twins' characters when we could have had Cliffjumper (imagine that, a red Bumblebee), and Brawn. What's the point now, one wonders, of even hoping to see someone like UltraMagnus show up in the third film when so far so many signature characters have been foolishly overlooked? What a fu.cking waste. (Reply to this) |
on Jun 23 2009 08:57 PM In reply to this comment (#2516087) @Matanuki: I feel your pain - there are a lot of Transformers characters that I'd have loved to have seen make it to the big screen. I'm honestly feeling a bit bummed looking at the ever-dropping T-meter on this movie. It was at 30% this morning, and I've seen it drop to 29, 28, 26, and now it's at 25%? When this summer began, I remember McG and Michael Bay having a war of words about who had the better big robots movie, and I thought it'd be a slam-dunk for Bay. I thought the T-meter for this movie was going to be around 50%, so I'm dead shocked to see it below TERMINATOR: SALVATION's. (Reply to this) |
on Jun 23 2009 09:05 PM so what does soundwave transform into? (Reply to this) |
on Jun 23 2009 09:23 PM Devastator looks fugly. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 23 2009 09:28 PM you have to admit the demolisher and devastator look badass. i dont understand why they brought megatron back. i geuss ill find out tomorow.... (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 23 2009 09:32 PM how is anyone shocked that this movie sucks? (Reply to this) |
on Jun 23 2009 09:36 PM Saw it already guys, I was disappointed. It just made no ****ing sense, so incoherent, bloated, and over long. It kept introducing new sub plots for nothing- something called "The League of Matrix" or something like that was so stupid. The first 90 minutes ran fine with me, but after that I kept looking at my watch. Really repetitive, and most of the humor is pretty bad. Didn't really laugh at all, those two supposed racist robots were really annoying like most of the side characters (Sam's roommate). I laughed a lot at all the slow motion which was really cheesy on Pearl Harbor level. The last 30 minutes just made no sense with the stupid Maguffin and it was hard to understand what was going on- bad sense of geography. One scene has John Turturro going up to Devastator as if he is going to do something, and then it cuts away and you never know what happens. Also SO anti-climatic. They led up to a battle between Prime and that main Fallen guy and the fight lasted for like 30 seconds!!! It seriously should have cut some side characters/stories to lose 30 minutes. On the upside the first hour or so were fine kind of fun. The earlier action scenes are really good but after a forrest scene nothing lives up to it. Shia is still good and fun. On a technical level the movie was great. I did my best to enjoy it, I like the first one, but I found myself more so bored during this. I would say a 5/6 (Reply to this) |
on Jun 23 2009 09:40 PM Yeah, this movie is already popping up online, but I for one can't bring myself to watch it, even if it is high quality. I think its sad that somebody pointed out they thought this movie was going to be good, and they expected at least a 50% on the meter. 50%! I wouldn't waste my time. I know, you can't solely judge a movie on critics opinions, but this movie is currently at 23% and dropping. This is looking to be like one of the worst rated Bay films, and that's really saying something. (Reply to this) |
on Jun 23 2009 09:48 PM In reply to this comment (#2516106) 5/6? With the description you gave, that's a 2/6! (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 23 2009 09:50 PM oh, wait. I'm an idiot... you meant 5 or 6 out of 10. I'm tired. Ignore me. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 23 2009 09:58 PM You people need to go make THE HURT LOCKER your 4th of july movie. Just saw it, its effin great. What better way to contemplate American values than see a movie like this? I give the studios credit for releasing it on the 4th, even though it will inevitably drown in the sea of summer blockbusters, this is easily one of the best movies to come out all year. It might not be Oscar season yet, but this movie is definetly oscar bait. It was made by Katherin Bigelow, who also directed Point Break, and while this movie does not support a beach bum Keanu Reeves or Garey Busey, it is eaily her best film to date. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 23 2009 10:02 PM @jokerboy1991: Thanks for the review. I know that you were looking forward to the movie, and I guess the concerns about the running time were dead on, huh? Probably not seeing it until Friday; I'll try to keep my expectations at the absolute bare minimum and enjoy myself. @CtrlAltDestroy: I said that I expected it to be around 50% - a little bit lower than the first one. As you probably know, I'm no Bay apologist, and I didn't expect this movie to be an action masterpiece, but I did expect it to be watchable. Oh well - I'll probably enjoy myself at THE HURT LOCKER. That movie looks f'ing awesome. Real fans of sci fi action cinema, bear down and wait for December 18th. The internet is buzzing about James Cameron screening 24 minutes of AVATAR in Amsterdam. And the reports are MIND-BOGGLING. I quote: "The audience afterwards was stunned. Everyone just gasped, wondered and just couldnt believe what they saw. [Cameron] is so proud of this movie and still handles it with great suave like he just folded a paper plane. I am just mindbaffled how a genius like that can contain himself with something like this." (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 23 2009 10:03 PM In reply to this comment (#2516113) Oh I see you posted in the interim - yeah, I definitely want to see THE HURT LOCKER, which I've been hearing amazing stuff about for a long time. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 23 2009 10:06 PM Yeah The Hurt Locker is ****ing great, see that. If you want an intense action movie, its kind of similar to Black Hawk Down, then see that. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 23 2009 10:07 PM In reply to this comment (#2516112) No that was my bad, I meant a 5 out of 10, I wasn't paying attention very well while typing (tired). Definitely not a 6, I didn't enjoy it. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 23 2009 10:09 PM Avatar = Nerdgasm But yeah, The Hurt Locker is one of the best War movies I've seen since either The Thin Red Line or Saving Private Ryan. It is also one of the only movies about the Iraq war worth watching. There are a lot of seasoned veterans that pop up in the movie, Guy Pearce, Ralph Fienes, David Morse, but the main characters are mostly unknowns, which I think suits the feel of the movie better. I don't want to spoil it for you, but there are a lot of great action sequences in it as well, but they are pretty realistic. Its as if you are experiencing a real battle(think black hawk down). Its pretty fascinating seeing how the bomb squad unit operates. Not only do they have to defuse bombs, but they have to watch their back constantly. Anyone could be the enemy. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 23 2009 10:22 PM In reply to this comment (#2516096) He's a satellite, if I recall. (Reply to this) |
on Jun 23 2009 10:24 PM Well all of them look cool but my favorite robot is actually optimus prime i really don't care much for the others. Kind of sad to that this film getting such bad reviews it got 23% so far. The meter is probably going go down farther could this movie be the worst action movie of the year? (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 23 2009 11:22 PM I am planning on seeing it today but my expectations are really really low. I just wish they had chosen a better director instead of one of the 'Hack' Pack... (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 23 2009 11:47 PM Saw it already...I'll be short and brief. Pros: 1. The plot is a bit more interesting than the 1st one 2. More Transformers, more action, more variety of effects. 3. The story is more focused on the transformers, especially on Octimus Prime, and not on the humans...OP kicks *** in this one! 4. Megan Fox is as hot as ever! (Sorry to say these are all the pros that I can think off) Cons: 1. Lacks emotional pull, after awhile all the action does feel flat. 2. The Fallen isn't as scary and menancing as he should be...next thing you know he's dead and you're like...what? already? 3. Poor humor Summary: - Go in with minimal expectations and you'll have a fun friday night. I went in with hugh expectations and came out somewhat disappointed. But I guess the good thing is, it seems there should be another Transformers movie, so Hollywood will have another chance to get it right... please get Ripley Scott to direct it...Bay has had 2 chances and still can't get it right. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 23 2009 11:50 PM In reply to this comment (#2516139) Opps... I mean Optimus (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 12:02 AM Why not stay home and play a video game? Last time I checked movies were made to tell a story and have a little something called "character development". I'm all for giant robot carnage ( the designs are amazingly cool) but I can satiate that desire by playing any number of video games. Conversely when I go to the movies I want some substance with my action. Michael Bay should be either producing video games or directing music videos because it's clear he can't tell a story for sh.it. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 12:10 AM In reply to this comment (#2516144) Odd Persona: Don't go saying things like that, you'll be labeled a Bay hater. No one is allowed to criticize Michael Bay. Apologists don't care that only 22% of critics cared for the movie. Anyone that doesn't like Michael Bay is just a hater. [That was sarcasm; you actually wrote a great post about what a movie ought to do] (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 12:26 AM Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding We have a winner, this is officially the lowest rated Michael Bay movie, beating out Bad Boys 2(23%) by a whopping 1% and counting. This has been a message from your Michael Bay Alert System. (Reply to this) |
on Jun 24 2009 12:31 AM Just saw this movie. Absolutely loved it. Had my mind blown. Running time did not really bother me at all, just a little lull in the middle. I agree a couple side characters like Sam's room mate could've been cut. This is the definition of extreme popcorn fun. Gotta disagree with Jokerboy and say that this movie is pretty funny, funnier than the first. The whole theater was laughing many times. The action was so intense, basically everything you could ask for. The plot was very simple, but it seems to purposely be that simple because it seemed like they were just doing it to set up action scenes of course. This movie was not confusing at all, neither I or my friends were ever confused once. This movie could've been made a tad slimmer with some unnecessary stuff cut, but that is what you usually get with a 2.5 hour movie. Michael Bay sure does make things look great blowing up. Oh yeah, i didn't mind the twins...thought they were actually pretty funny for a bit, just got a little tired of them towards the end, wasn't bad though. GO SEE THIS MOVIE IF YOU WANT TO BE ENTERTAINED!!!! (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 12:46 AM In reply to this comment (#2516106) Jokerboy (and others who fear the movie is bad): I have seen it twice now, since I live in the UK. It is NOT a bad film & most of the criticisms here are unfair. John Turturro goes up to Devastator and calls in a warship to hit him with a rail gun. There's nothing wrong with the editing! Seriously, think of the film like Lord of the Rings. See it twice, maybe three times before whining like a baby who doesn't understand what's going on. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 01:23 AM In reply to this comment (#2516169) Yeah my criticisms were really unfair- Bloated, over long, stupid, really unfunny. Yep your right, those are real nitpicks! Maybe I missed that attack scene with Turturro at the end since I was already feeling tired. I never said the movie was bad at all, I just said it was boring and even disappointing (my hopes weren't high). I will probably never watch it again and I'll just stick to watch the first one. Also its insanity to compare this film to Lord of The Rings. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 01:28 AM Also I really did laugh at the movie a few times, the slow motion was hilariously bad aka it was Pearl Harbor funny. Also the end battle didn't do anything for me because I have already seen robots beating each-other up for almost 2 hours, I couldn't stop laughing about the "League of MATRIX", and it was kind of anti-climatic. It led up to a fight with Prime and the main fallen (lame villain), and that fight only lasted under a minute- all the fights were huge and yet the one it led up to was the lamest one. The forrest scene was really good and the opening but after an hour 1/2 I just kind kept looking at my watch. Not BAD, but I didn't enjoy it. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 01:38 AM Also back to the villain, what a weak protagonist. Megatron in the first film was so much more menacing. I just never felt like any of the characters were in danger too, when they were running away I would just think to myself "there going to be Ok, they are the stars". The villain didn't pose such a threat, sure he wanted to destroy earth, but I just spent 2 1/2 hours with really annoying characters (sam's roomate and parents) so I really didn't care whether earth got destroyed or if I never saw these characters again. But yeah you are ****ING INSANE if you think my problems are not valid- Didn't like the story, didn't like the characters, I thought it was over long aka bloated, thought the villain was weak, and I laughed at the movie a lot. I still didn't hate because some of the action WAS good, but not good enough for me to say I enjoyed it. Dont start saying my excuses are nit-picks, I'm not attacking you for how wrong I think you are for liking this movie. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 01:45 AM Trying not to post but I have a lot to say, but its people like CARL B. who really annoy me so much when they have to be a dick just because someone didn't love Transformers. Whether or not the action was confusing, I still had a lot of problems with the movie itself. No need to be a jerk Carl, some of us like having opinions. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 01:54 AM well jokerboy why don't you just tell us your entire life story on the next comment you post. LAWL! (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 02:13 AM i kinda agree with jokerboy......i give the movie a 6.5/10.........the best fight scenes were the one in the woods and the one with bumble bee vs. the orange thing and the catlike robot.......Optimus v the fallen was rediculously bad for a final battle, when they first started to tango i was like this is it, bay is gona go all out and this fight is gona last for like 6 minutes and have awesome camera angles.........AND what we got was 30 seconds of BS.....i thought the fallen was suppose to be a bad ***.......smh my other complaint was why did they waste devastator?!!? he is my fav transformer/combiner and he was in the movie for like 5 min.....why didnt they have him attack the soldiers?? and why didnt any of the decepticons that landed in the desert have any actual fight in them? it seemed like the humans were defending themselves too well....it came across as unrealistic..... ok im done....im just a huge fan of the original movie and i was hoping this movie was gona imrpove on the 1st one........ (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 02:17 AM I thought it was all a joke but apparently Devastator DOES have a giant set of wrecking-ball testicles. i thought people were just making it up, but, i mean, really? did you really have to go all out with that, Michael Bay? it's almost not even funny, to be honest. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 02:19 AM O and i will add in the group of friends i went with, one of them is african american and he did catch on to the twins 'stereotypes' and was offended by them.....it didnt really bother him in the sense it angered him, he more or so responded like....'why'....'why even have them act in that way' and he knew they were ment to be dumb black teenagers....he said is fav part is when they said they couldnt read the symbols.....i just started lol'ing.... (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 03:55 AM Transformers2 was freakin the chiznit!! have to say the best action movie of all time!!bay is the greatest director (Reply to this) |
on Jun 24 2009 05:02 AM "Too loud" "Too explosive" WTF? Isn't that what old 30-something men and our sons are there to see? I loved Transformers, through all its faults and incongruities. I wish Bay and the professionals could at least watch their own movie and find out when they edit out a plot line or character. Well, they count on "suspension of disbelief" and Ill give it to them. Grab the popcorn, son, we're going to see robots blow stuff up! (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 05:16 AM To the easily amused, this movie is your dream come true. Some people just need some damn substance, or all those explosions and action sequences feel empty. I for one would rather just sit home and watch Beast Wars, which I found more entertaining than the last Transformers movie. Eh, but what do I know, I'm also thinking that the animated GIJOE movie from the 80s is probably going to be better than the live action one coming out. GOOOOOOO JOE (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 05:46 AM In reply to this comment (#2516201) Most of jokerboy's complaints are just rants from someone very immature. My advice: DON'T FEED THE TROLL. (Enjoy Transformers instead) p.s it's the Matrix of leadership not the League of Matrix - did you even watch the film?) (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 06:10 AM Matrix of leadership....League of Matrix....who gives a ****, does it even matter? I love how none of the Bay apologists actually READ the reviews which all say the SAME DAMN THING, the worst thing about this movie isn't the lack of plot or terrible acting, IT'S THE FACT THAT EVEN THE ACTION SCENES YOU MORONS ARE GOING ON ABOUT SUCK! Why does the word 'boring' continually come up in all these reviews, after all, like all the Transformers fans parrot 'It's a movie about giant robots beating the **** out of each other, what do you expect?!' Shouldn't an action movie actually deliver gripping action if nothing else? Guess not in this case. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 06:49 AM I'll see Transformers but I'm pretty sure I'll spend half the time thinking about Avatar. Someone give James Cameron a billion dollars and 10 years to make another movie. I'll wait. He's Canadian too which is just awesome. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 06:58 AM At 23% even I would avoid this movie now if my daughter didn't want to see it so badly. Guess I will see if the hate is warranted :P (Reply to this) |
on Jun 24 2009 07:01 AM It's getting killed on the meter by most critics. So let's break it down to what made the first one so popular - babes - bots and incredible action. There's more of that in this one so the Dude will be shelling out to see it on the big screen regardless man. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 07:31 AM In reply to this comment (#2516190) It is actually not the "League of MATRIX" it is (as someone else has pointed out) the 'Matrix of leadership' - which is a legit part of the original transformers stories (albeit they have adapted this slightly) but at least they didn%u2019t just make up something up which has no relevance to the transformers story. I accept your points though - your entitled to your own opinion. In regards to the final fight scene i would compare the OP vs. Fallen fight to that of the final fight in the film Equilibrium in that through the film there are lengthy fight scenes - but the final fight lasts seconds, even though you are expecting a long fight, because this shows the characters superiority. I would like to think that when OP takes Jetfires parts he becomes a lot more powerful and therefore is able to easily beat the Fallen and Megatron. I think this works - and appeals to me as a Transformers fan, as I like the fact that OP kicks a** :) (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 08:48 AM In reply to this comment (#2516304) @ Adam S. Completely agree about the final fight. You see a few times before hand how bad *** The Fallen is also. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 08:50 AM Real fans of sci fi would not want to watch Avatar, try again little fanboy. Oh and Jokerboy if you had a hard time understanding the movie i feel bad for you because there might be something wrong with you. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 08:59 AM If you were bored by the action of this movie then i dont know what to say, you can be a tool like sulaco and mime what the critics say but remember those same critics thought that Dark Knight had awesome action scenes when in fact they were boring as hell. So in conclusion. The movie is good, not great, and the people who hate are nothing but anti-micheal bay trolls. Hell you have Cole Cash who wants to suck off Cameron who honestly thinks that Avatar is going to be awesome. ****ing pathetic little fa.g (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 09:11 AM This movie is going to make bank. God when i got to the theater last night they were showing it on three screens, by the time the movie started they were showing it on 9 screens. I mean yes that is one theater but that same basic story is what i heard of from my friends around the country. It is not going to break records but it is going to make bank and pretty much lock up the chances of a third movie. (Reply to this) |
on Jun 24 2009 09:46 AM Captain, please watch your language. I would hate to see your contributions to the RT community end because you can't resist calling people names. Let's stick to the discussion, eh? (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 09:57 AM People who like Michael Bay movies are further proof that Americans get dumber and dumber with each passing year. The first Transformers was absolutely awful, and this sequel looks like a complete waste of time. But if you're a moron, it's your Mona Lisa. Unfortunately, both the internet AND real world is rife with morons. (Reply to this) |
on Jun 24 2009 10:15 AM In reply to this comment (#2516374) Hey Jen, I honestly believe that the guy who commented below you (scorchy) and everyone of his American bashing kind should be removed from this website. If anyone wants to be offended by anything, it should be this. I'm an American and I ever saw this person in real life, I would destroy him for that comment. He didn't just offend a race, culture, or sexual preference, but an entire nation. So if anything should be regulated, it should be him. Thanks (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 10:49 AM I went and saw the movie last night and I liked it a lot. It was everything I wanted from the series. It was lengthy and I did check my watch to see what time it was but it wasn't cuz I was bored. I just wanted to know the time ;0) Now, because of that last thread that caused the controversy, I went into this movie looking for every possible reason to find the twins offensive. I honestly couldn't find it, and apparently everyone else in the movie theater didn't either because those 2 had the audience hootin' and haulerin', and laughing hysterically. (BTW, I live in Central Texas. Here the ethnicity is mostly black, and less white/other. I'd say a 60/40 split, easily.) So that just goes to show that the whole controversy over the situation was pathetic and unnecessary. And I loved it how Jen decided to link it in this article as well. As if she wanted more drama. Anyways, I give this movie on a "Blockbuster/Popcorn flick/Sci-Fi action/$#!T getting blown up" level, a 9 out of 10. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 11:06 AM Scorchy it is too bad that America is filled with people like you who think that they are smart when they are not. Let me guess you voted for Obama? I could tell that you are one of the "my **** dont stink" liberals that think that freedom of speech and the constitution only applies to them. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 11:11 AM To begin, I just recently saw "Transformers 2" & It was enjoying. I will say Michael Bay did open up the camera more on the action. I could tell actaully who was who this time. The story was simple & assisted in some minor character development. I will give credit to Shia LaBeouf who seems to have a knack in these type of roles & does well with them. He kind of reminds me of Will Smith to an extent when it comes to action films as he has that type of flair. To be honest, I don't get the entirely whole boring part some of the haters shout about. I mean sure some of the action scenes where possibly carried out a bit long & there maybe a bit of an overkill with the explosions at times but to find this film just outright boring is laughable on your behalf. Either your just ignorant because you consider yourself so high standard or your just narrow-minded & went in already with a judgement call. I actually think a good portion of people went in the theatre already disgusted by it before even seeing it (which I'm sure is true) in which you already weren't going to like it no matter what. I think the thing that may be the actual problem here is the structure of story (& I'm not talking about the story itself) wasn't created with a path of movement which would create jumps in the structure from place to place with no real follow through establishment which would create the choppy editing tactics, put lack in the characteristic developments, the so-called "incoherent" story (which I find funny because a plot like this can't be incoherent as it's so simple & strait-laced. I mean you could play the film backwards & it still would be simple to follow even if it's discursive in it's movement, meaning the substructure of the stories follow-through which is the actual incoherence here.) I'm sure I'm probably confusing if not disconnecting with people but if your with me & actually understand where I coming from here then you'll probably end up saying I'm right on what I'm talking about. I also just want to mention when you use the term "terrible acting" which I'm sure most 90% if not more couldn't define that term. The term "terrible acting" is basically saying porno film or a soup opera in which you are saying the acting is as bad as a those? if that's true? then please for the love of god don't ever analyze acting again. @Scorchy Could you be anymore unbearable let alone just outright obnoxious. Get over youself & you're right! both the internet & the real world is rife with morons & you sir, are clearly one of them. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 11:21 AM In reply to this comment (#2516409) @D Effin W I agree with you on the twins thing as the whole controversy over the situation was pathetic and unnecessary. Everyone in my theatre was laughing at them. They acted like two little kids with a sense of sarcasm which actually made it funny in it's own respects. The whole controversy is just another nitpick to try & start something about actaully nothing. It's what I would call "a Spike Lee moment". (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 11:26 AM saw it last night got to say it was pretty dam good. my problems were that there was a bunch of things that could of been edited out like the scene with the girl with the long tongue. it also did a bad job with character development. half the time you didn't know what was going on with all the characters. action top notch, this time around i could tell whose who. i think there was just too much going on at one point i think a better plot would've been to leave out the fallen and just have megatron come back and rake havoc that is just my opinion or they could have left out megatron and just had fallen idk you be the judge. overall i thought it was a great movie very entertaining maybe the extra scenes in imax help it flow better. definitely gonna see it there tonight (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 11:28 AM When i saw this film the show was sold out and it had a bigger standing applause than when i saw the midnight showing of Dark Knight, but then again Iron Man was much bigger than both. But i can honestly say that the general audience liked the movie. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 11:32 AM im just saying i really enjoyed it (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 11:56 AM I only have two thing to say: 1. **** you Michael 'Hack' Bay for raping my childhood 2. One of the worst movies I have ever seen Oh wait I have three things to say 3. If you liked the 'humor' in this movie there is something seriously wrong with you. Take a gun and end your life now please (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 12:00 PM Wait, Captain - there was a standing ovation at the end of your screening? (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 12:03 PM If you think this movie raped your childhood take a gun and end your life now please. Bye little troll your right to talk has been revoked. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 12:05 PM "Gotta disagree with Jokerboy and say that this movie is pretty funny, funnier than the first. The whole theater was laughing many times." See, here's the thing. I didn't find *any* of the "humor" in the first movie to be funny. It was just painfully dumb, making me glad that I saw the movie on DVD and could fast forward past most of the human scenes. I'd had some hopes for the second movie (after all, Sam had gotten past his 'loser everyman' phase in the first one, and become Action Guy. But, no.... gotta rewind him into a jokey loser again.) Ah, well. Maybe I'll see it someday if I pick up a $5 copy from the used DVD shop. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 12:07 PM Yes, but then again there are always standing ovations, there was one for Terminator, Wolverine, Up, Hangover, etc. I dont think i have seen a movie this year without them having one. The point though was that the ovation for Transformers 2 was bigger than that of Dark Knight and a little smaller than that of Iron Man, which shows that there are people who love what Mike Bay is doing. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 12:45 PM I just dont get the mentality of some people - if you dont like the film you dont like it, but why do you feel the need to put it, and the people who did enjoy it, down so much? I would suggest you get a life and go and watch/discuss a film which you do enjoy. Also I'm not American but i found it funny, and so did everyone else in the cinema both times ive seen it. Personally my only gripe was with the way Sam was brought back to life, but I can live with that. I understand and am able to separate the films from the cartoon, comics, animated film etc from my childhood and appreciate them as a different interpretation of an, in my opinion, ingenious idea. For me the only way that it could have been better was if; 1. It had been longer 2. There had been more autobot charactors 3. Megan Fox had been naked all the way through (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 12:58 PM Huh. I don't dispute that Bay is a crowd-pleaser, I just haven't seen a standing ovation to a Hollywood movie in a long time. Adam S., I hope you're joking about at least one of these points: "For me the only way that it could have been better was if; 1. It had been longer 2. There had been more autobot charactors 3. Megan Fox had been naked all the way through" (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 01:07 PM In reply to this comment (#2516521) @Adam S. Agree with everything 100%. As for the time length, that is what the 3rd one will be for. Maybe Bay will convince Megan Fox to go naked throughout the whole movie. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 01:09 PM Oh you would be surprised. Iron Man had such a huge standing ovation it was not even funny, i mean you should of seen the reaction when Nick Fury was shown. Oh and when i saw Dark Knight at the end of the film during the ovation people were chanting Heath Ledger's Name. (Reply to this) |
on Jun 24 2009 01:26 PM In reply to this comment (#2516096) Paintz Hz shirt red: You never see Soundwave transform, he spends the whole movie attached to a satellite feeding information to the other Decepticons. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 01:41 PM In reply to this comment (#2516122) Tyrant: He hooks up to a satellite and reads it's transmissions and gives the information to the other Decepticons. I don't think he's an actual satellite though, more of an intell officer of sorts. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 01:44 PM I thought it was okay, the first half was pretty good, then it was mediocre. It deserves higher than a 22%, 50% seems about right. It's a shame 2 really cool decepticons got wiped out early (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 01:53 PM Meanwhile, my local newspaper reviewer gave it 3 stars, and thought that Bay could have tossed the robots, saved $200m, and had a classier American Pie. Um. Right. ----- Don't think I recall an ovation at a movie, standing or not. But, then, I go earliest showing Sunday morning, so I can see movies in peace, without that pesky crowd in the way. (Reply to this) |
on Jun 24 2009 01:58 PM no Omega Supreme???? (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 02:01 PM In reply to this comment (#2516374) Jen Yamato: Thank you so much for saying something to Captain, I bet he won't get it though. But maybe this will finally be the beginning of the end for him, which I would be more than happy to see his time come to troll elsewhere. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 02:01 PM In reply to this comment (#2516276) The movie is a movie for the fans. Were you a fan of the original comics / cartoons? If not it won't mean much to you and (no offense) you probably won't understand what all the fuss is about re: Matrix of Leadership. For the fans it's...different, flawed yes, but MUCH better than the uninitiated make out. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 02:04 PM In reply to this comment (#2516374) D Effin W: Yeah, let's just remove all freedoms and not allow someone to speak their mind on a website! Oh wait, our government is already starting to remove our freedoms of speech so why not do it on a movie site too because someone is talking about a group of people and not the country itself! (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 02:29 PM In reply to this comment (#2516608) @whitey_mcwhite "People who like Michael Bay movies are further proof that Americans get dumber and dumber with each passing year." In what part of that statement did he ACTUALLY separate the American population? I can obviously read the part where it says "People who like Michael Bay movies" but in a few more letters after that, he types AMERICANS GET DUMBER AND DUMBER WITH EACH PASSING YEAR! So obviously you have some inner issues when it comes to freedom of speech, politics and such, and that's fine. I just hate seeing moderators threaten one person for their hateful remarks against another person, where as when someone said something hateful to an entire nation, its shrugged aside. I'm an American and I don't believe that I get dumber and dumber with anything I watch, let alone read, or experience on an everyday life. My statement to Jen wasn't a very serious statement. It was more of a wake up call to her double standard that she just pulled. I am not offended at all by what someone says. I could care less. I believe in freedom of speech. But I also believe that you better watch what you say to who you say it to. As I stated, if he said that to my face, I would destroy him. Any other questions while I got your panties in a knot? (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 02:29 PM In reply to this comment (#2516521) Agree totally. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 02:41 PM In reply to this comment (#2516625) D Effin W: Here's the issue with that though, there are rules to this site for the forums, Captain continually breaks them with his foul vulgar language, but never does it state that if you talk bad about Americans that you're going to get kicked off the site. Jen is perfectly within her right to not say anything to him because he's not breaking any rules, but Captain breaks rules on this site every day. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 02:49 PM So what if this is said? And I am just testing waters/proving points (So don't give me the boot) People who like Michael Bay movies are further proof that Black People get dumber and dumber with each passing year. People who like Michael Bay movies are further proof that Jewish People get dumber and dumber with each passing year. People who like Michael Bay movies are further proof that Christian People get dumber and dumber with each passing year. People who like Michael Bay movies are further proof that Mexican People get dumber and dumber with each passing year. I'll stop with that. Does that go against any of the rules in the forum? (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 03:18 PM I watched the movie last night, knowing what I was getting into I decided to start drinking at around 8 to numb the senses. In my opinion I didn't numb them enough. I found the movie enjoyable, but it was also kind of like one of those B-movies you watch with friends that's really fun to make fun of Mystery Science Theater style. The jokes appealed to the lowest common denominator (a robot with testicles, a robot humping Megan Fox's leg, seriously?!), a lot of the human characters just didn't make sense in their motivations and actions, etc, there were just way too many characters to give enough screentime and a lot of them there just was no justifiable reason for them to exist. Being black I didn't find the twins offensive, unless you count for how annoying they were. I did think the action was handled better this time around though, although the battle in Egypt was just too overdone to really know what was completely going on and was very tedious. I did find some things comical that were meant to be though. Overall an enjoyable experience, but not a good movie in my opinion. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 03:42 PM In reply to this comment (#2516645) I don't know about all that, I don't pay that much attention to the rules, but I wouldn't take any offense to the black person comment and I am black. Captain's problem is vulgarity though. He throws around slang for homosexuals to drive home a point and types it so it can be read by everyone on the board. I can see your point on the whole American thing, I just don't take offense personally when people throw around the people, now if you talk about the country itself we're going to have a problem. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 03:50 PM Honestly, I could care less if someone uses liking a Bay movie to insult people based on nationality. (Incidentally, both Transformers and Transformers 2 have grossed more foreign totals than domestic. But hey.) My comment was meant specifically to curb inappropriate and offensive language on RT. Freedom of speech is awesome, but there's no reason we have to tolerate offensive, derogatory language here. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 03:52 PM @whitey_mcwhite Thank you for atleast understanding where I come from. And yes, I do believe he was talking about America. My old roommate/friend is from Sussox, England and **** on America on a daily basis. That was something that he would say. Or like, this is why the rest of the world thinks America is the stupidest country in the world. And also, the theater I went to here in TX serves alcohol in the theater. 5 beers for 12 bucks. http://www.cinergycinemas.com/ (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 04:46 PM In reply to this comment (#2516207) I guess it's finally the appropriate time to quote Duke Nukem: "I've got balls of steel" I had to, sorry Chris B. :P (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 04:49 PM In reply to this comment (#2516538) Saving Private Ryan was the only standing ovation I have ever seen at a movie. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 04:51 PM Even Roger Ebert has called the movie out as being incomprehensible and stupid, and I would say he is right. I cant be the only one who laughed at The Matrix thing. How am I a troll anyway? I have always said Bay is fine to me and I don't HATE him. I liked the first movie but I found myself shockingly bored for most of this one. I have already seen robots beating each other up and the movie didn't really do anything new in that department to get me excited. I don't get how my problems aren't valid- bloated, over long, pretty damn stupid, annoying characters, and I did think it was repetitive. I think the trolls are the ones who always bash people for not liking people aka CARL.B and Cap (by the way I thought we were Ok, no more fighting, I guess your still angry). I didn't hate the movie at all, I just didn't enjoy it. (Reply to this) |
on Jun 24 2009 04:57 PM I actually enjoyed the film. It met my criteria of robots fighting, PG-13 sexplotation of Megan Fox, cool robots and more fighting. OH and the weak plot that loosely tied together the robots fighting. It was the first film, just more of everything. The twins were not very annoying to me, I wished there was more of RC, Soundwave kicked *** as did Ravage and Optimus is one Bad Mother@#$%er, he should carry a wallet that says that at all times. Lots of oh damn I didn't expect that, and damn that was awesome moments. My only complaint, was the same I had in the first, I had no clue who was who. You had 2 silver cars, one autobot which was Sideswipe and a decepticon I don't remember the name, by the end I'm like look it's the green decepticon, oh it's the red decepticon, oh Starscream, oh which is that ones again? Is that an Autobot or a Decepticon? Even this list doesn't talk ab out all the decepticons from the film. Lastly Devastator rocked. And yes I am a G1 fan, have them all on DVD, also Beast Wars/Beast Machines and have several of the toys. So a solid C movie, exactly what you expect, if you hated T1 you will probably hate T2, if you liked T1 you probably will like T2, just don't go in expecting greatness. I found it very entertaining with little substance or plot, in other words it is your standard Hollywood summer blockbuster. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 04:58 PM In reply to this comment (#2516688) I want a theater that serves beer! Then I wouldn't have to drink before movies! hahaha I know what you mean, I don't like it when people are down on the states, but I could care less what anyone says about it's people. We don't choose who lives here, and we have a lot of idiots here! (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 05:00 PM In reply to this comment (#2516688) By the way, am I the only one who thinks that all of the Transformers are extremely sadistic?! I mean seriously, if they had a movie where actually people did the stuff to each other that the Transformers do, people would be seriously freaked and grossed out! (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 05:05 PM the only bad things i hear about this film is on the internet. i found it to be quite entertaining. ya some parts were cheesy or uncalled for but the rest was badass! ALL HAIL OPTIMUS PRIME!!!!!!! (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 05:36 PM In reply to this comment (#2516744) Any epic movie shows exactly how brutal and sadistic the human race was haha. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 05:47 PM whitey why dont you go troll with your little lover Bob. I love how she complains about me yet forgets about the stuff you and the idiot say. Oh yeah because you guys are gay lovers that would ***** if you got yelled at. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 05:51 PM D effin W she is mad because i called her out on her unprofessional attack on the movie and Bay. Joker i sounded angry because i was pissed about something else, i just cant see how you are Ebert could have trouble with the movie it was so straight forward. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 05:58 PM im with losing sleep it was really entertaining it doesn't deserve a 20% not at all definitely in the 50 like the first one i thought the first one should have been in the 70% range for that matter. i loved yeah had some plot holes bay put to many robots in it but not enough memorable ones like iron-hide or prime action scenes for me were top notch defentely better then terminator and wolverine IN MY Opinion (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 06:03 PM In reply to this comment (#2516782) Straight forward? Come on man, they introduced Maguffin after Maguffin. Maybe its because I stopped caring after an hour, I stopped being entertained after the awesome forrest fight. First it was the shred of the cube, then an energy source, then the pyramid sun thing. I would say the first film was much more coherent, and I didn't even think that movie was that coherent. I literally just kind of blanked out after the 90 minute mark, just stopped caring and kept looking at my watch. I really did want to enjoy it, I thought I was going to, but I found myself un-entertained. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 06:08 PM Even though the tomato-meter says 21%... the community meter says 68% I believe! That shows the difference between normal people and apparent professional critics. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 06:39 PM I thought you would not have trouble. Maybe another viewing would help. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 06:56 PM Rottentomatoes is a good movies site... but they only get it right 50% of the time... They inflate pixar movies and deflate movies like Underworld 2 which i would put in the 50's but has a 7... a 7? really... thats like date movie range... Anyway, Transformers was awesome in theaters... not so much at home... im not expecting Dark Knight material out of the second one, but i think it deserves alot more than a 21... thats licence to wed range... i expect this movie at least deserves to be somewhere in the high 70's, low 80's like the first one... (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 06:59 PM In reply to this comment (#2516789) @D Effin W With a film like "Transformers 2" it's pretty much is expected that critics & the public will view this film differently. In the first installment, the majority of the public liked "Transfomers" & it's probably going to be the same for the second installment where the majority of the public will favor this film why critics will pander it. This type of film is just not a critic kind of film by much means. To be frank, I find some of the critics complaints to be shoddy. @jokerboy1991 It sounds to me you just gave up on it as if you let yourself become small-minded or you just have a short attention span & it reached it's point just after the forrest sequence (which was impressive but then again, the CGI in these films are just enthrallingly spellbinding especially from the cinematic wizards of ILM.) I think somewhere done the line you should try to watch it again when it hits DVD/Blu-Ray on October 20th. (Reply to this) |
on Jun 24 2009 07:03 PM D Effin W: Get off your high horse. Everyone Who Defends This Film Tirelessly: Give it up. It's just a movie. Whoever Comnpared Transformers 2 to THe Lord of the Rings: Shame on you. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 07:05 PM In reply to this comment (#2516812) NTROST: Do you argue with everybody? Anyway, anyone notice how right ledawg was? "24 percent or lower." - ledawg "50-60" - Just about everyone else DAMN, I'm good! (Reply to this) |
on Jun 24 2009 07:15 PM I saw the movie and yes I can totally tell the errors in the movie. Even though a lot of the critics says that the movie sucks, doesn't mean that the whole movie being a suckish blockbuster is Michael Bay's fault. It's mostly the writers of the film, Hasbro, and of course the director. Really this movie wasn't made to become an Oscar Nomination. It was made to be one of the best popcorn movies of the summer. I would give the movie a B . The first movie was better. This one was pretty disappointing but hey. Most sequels to movies suck. Usually. I enjoyed the movie because it was entertaining, humorous, and very actiony (i know thats not a word). My Final Grade: B Movie Errors: 1.) Bad Character Development 2.) Rushed on many scenes 3.) Weak Plot/Story in most parts of the movie 4.) Cheesy at some parts (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 07:17 PM In reply to this comment (#2516812) Neither in fact, after that 90 minute mark nothing new was happening- Just watching the same fights and characters that I found really annoying. No need to be a jerk NTROST. Dont forget, I liked the first movie. CAP- I thought it was over stuffed with so many sub-plots and I just stopped caring aka paying attention. It became one of those movies where I just stop paying attention and think about things going on in my life or even me thinking "what am I going to get to eat after this?". We have all been there and that happens due to borden. Maybe I'll give it another watch when it hits DVD, but I'm in no rush to watch it again. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 07:41 PM In reply to this comment (#2516817) @ledawg And you just told me to get off my high horse... (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 08:16 PM In reply to this comment (#2516834) Heh heh...okay that makes me look a little dick-ish. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 08:19 PM i see this movie today wit my kids and the effect where amazing and the movie was very good too .don't care Wat the critics said about the movie is a very fun and funny family movie to enjoy. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 08:41 PM In reply to this comment (#2516854) Can you tell me if one of the bots has a set of wrecking balls? (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 09:19 PM In reply to this comment (#2516866) Yes. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 10:04 PM jokerboy did you see the midnight showing? I tend to have trouble with the midnights showings. I had to see Iron Man and Dark Knight again just because i was tired during the showings. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 10:08 PM In reply to this comment (#2516877) Awesome!...I think...maybe...actually that's kinda stupid. I hope there's no stupid sight gag where he has them kicked. Instead, he shows up, Optimus sees them...and walks away, ashamed. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 10:17 PM In reply to this comment (#2516890) No man I went to one of those early screenings at 7:30, I literally just got bored enough for me to stop caring and paying attention. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 10:41 PM Bad film is bad. It certainly isn't getting my $10. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 11:27 PM @jokerboy1991 How was I being a jerk? I was simply wondering & guessing the reasoning for your disinterest of the film. I don't see a problem with that not unless there was some kind of @led @Your G. How can you make judgement on a film if you haven't even seen it? that's just ill-judged. I mean not unless you base everything off the critics (Which I must say some of there complaints are faulty) & the internet forums which would be pretty shallow & lousy of an excuse especially with the portion of the over-sensational individuals that are scattered throughout internet forums. Hey, if you don't want to see it then so be it but to make judgement on something you haven't seen? is just illiberal. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 24 2009 11:44 PM In reply to this comment (#2516926) Alright it was just a misunderstanding, just the way you phrased it "small minded" and "short attention span"- thats what kind of annoyed me. I just had a lot of problems with the movie and they all took me out of the movie, and the last hour or so I basically stopped caring. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 12:31 AM In reply to this comment (#2516812) I agree with Ntrost that transformers is not a movie for critics but a movie made just for the audience to see the movie. As for the meter well first of all i knew critics were not going to like movie at all anyway. I predicted it would never go over 40 percent but, I just never thought it would go lower than that. Either way I knew most of the critics would not enjoy it. Do you guys think some the critics hate the movie just to bash bay? (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 12:49 AM In reply to this comment (#2516940) Nope, I think critics would have loved it if they ended up liking this. No critic wants to sit through a movie for 2 1/2 hours that they think is bad. People forget that critics are movie lovers who got in the business because of that reason, they always hope for a good movie instead of a bad movie. I don't hate the movie nearly as much as most critics do, but the general over view of most of their problems seem valid- Bloated, Dumb, Incoherent, Bad Script, Weak Acting, Too Long. Those are valid problems and with the hundreds of critics who's views are posted on the site. (Reply to this) |
on Jun 25 2009 03:06 AM A bunch of scrap metal. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 04:00 AM In reply to this comment (#2516049) you freak (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 05:26 AM In reply to this comment (#2516787) What part of that is hard to follow? The shard of the allspark allowed them to resurrect Megatron -> the deceptacons need energon to create more deceptecons -> to do this they need to harvest the suns energy. Simple?!? It might not be the most original storyline but then this is a film which has descended from a children%u2019s cartoon - 99% of cartoons have cheesy, week, predictable story lines!! Its not as if the story was understandable. Personally I would have been disappointed if there had been a complicated well thought out plot with twists, turns and the like as it would have distracted from what this film is all about - autobots kicking deceptacon a**!! As i said previously if you didnt like it then you didnt like it - no problem. There are plenty of films i dont like but i dont spend time thinking about them, let alone slating them on the net. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 05:39 AM That should read 'its not as if the story WASN'T understandable' (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 11:12 AM In reply to this comment (#2516979) Adam S.: Seriously, you would have been disappointed if they would have had a well thought out plot? You think if it was well thought out it would have taken away from the Autobots kicking Decepticon butt? Batman was a comic book created in the 1930's, saw it's decline in the 50's and 60's until a really campy tv show brought about another resurgence in the character in comic book form that the tv show bled it's campiness into. The character has seen itself become badass again over the years, but in the mind of the general public Batman was still that cheesy character for the 60's tv show. Then Tim Burton came around and gave the character some of it's respect back, until Schumacher crapped on that. Then you get Christopher Nolan who helps take a billionaire who dresses up like a bat to fight crime and faces down a man with a burlap sack on his head and another man who's insane and dresses in a purple suit with cracked clown makeup on his face at all time, and makes a movie with great action, and a good well thought out plot that felt believable. Sam Raimi did the same with the semi-campy Spider-Man, and Favreau with the also semi-campy Iron Man. These directors have turned something that could have been very cheesy, weak, and predictable and made cinematic art with great characters and great plots. I think someone could have done that with Transformers, so I don't think it's too much to expect a little more than what Bay gave us. Everyone was saying that they expected a 50 or a 40% from the critics, but why couldn't we have expected an 80-90% critical rating when we know it can be done. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 01:32 PM In reply to this comment (#2517113) Of course someone could have done that with Transformers. That's why we're so upset. Those of us who are anyway. JJ Abrams is one of those directors that would have done well. Imagine him with the same budget, writers, and special effects team. He would have demanded a better story, and would have likely allowed for the use of more iconic characters rather than making up a bunch of silly caricatures. Bay might as well direct the TMNT sequel. He can feature Leonardo and Splinter teamed up with ....a bunch of other guys. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 01:56 PM I'm with Matanuki and Whitey on this one. My hope is that with the third film being helmed by someone else, we'll perhaps get to see some of the more iconic characters on screen, and less in the way of fart jokes. I think at the heart of what whitey is saying is that you have to take the material *seriously*. Case in point: Bumblebee "lubricating" on a human - yes, I get that it was done for comedic effect, yes, I realize that is to pander to the younger people in the crowd, but would that scene have been in there if it were one human urinating on another? The fact that Bay doesn't see robots as a serious characters really hurts his take on the subject. The only defense I hear about the movie and its predecessor is that they had great action. I think there's nothing wrong with saying, "Okay, I like action, I want a lot of great action, but I also want some other stuff." The story doesn't *have* to be complex. You know, one could make a great movie about Autobots and Decepticons coming to Earth in search of fuel sources after depleting their home planet's supply of energon (that's canon, I believe), and not have to resort to ludicrous MacGuffins like a pair of eyeglasses or silly plot points like Sector 7 and the hacker team. For all the people stating that the movie only needed a thin plot, all I can say is, I would have been fine with a thin plot, but how about one that makes a little bit of sense? (Reply to this) |
on Jun 25 2009 02:03 PM Cool guide, but you're missing Blackout! His appearance is brief, but he does do battle with Optimus Prime in Prime's death scene. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 02:07 PM ya, i liked this movie, although i agree with jokerboy that the ending battle between optimus and the fallen was really disappointing, but I'm a huge fan of Transformers, so it's ahrd for me not to love this movie. 8/10 (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 02:14 PM In reply to this comment (#2516979) If you mean expressing my opinion? Why cant I saw whether I liked the movie or not? If I loved it like you does that mean I am only allowed to say what I think? That sounds kind of insane to me. I didn't even hate the movie, I just didn't like it, and after spending over 2 hours watching it then I think I have right to say what I thought. Also the story was a mess and it introduced sub-plots after sub-plots, maybe it was easy for you to follow since you obviously found a way to love this movie, while I gave up due to boredom after 90 minutes. Also that has to be the worst excuse for this movie have a weak story, just because its based on a bad source material doesn't mean its Ok for it not to be coherent. My god man, Pirates of The Caribbean was based on a theme park ride and that had a coherent story with developed characters... and action! You can still have you robots beating each-other up over and over again why it adds to the story. You obviously take offense to me expressing my views on this movie since I didn't like it, I am sorry that this bothers you. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 02:30 PM In reply to this comment (#2517224) Jokerboy, I 100% agree the plot could have been good, but unfortunately it had Bay at the helm and he doesn't make well thought out plots with deep characters, he makes average action movies. I mean honestly only The Rock was a decent movie, maybe Armageddon but The Island? Bad Boys? Pearl Harbor? I walked in expecting a Bay movie with giant robots and I got a Bay movie with giant robots. I also wished for more cannon characters, but I didn't see a ton of mugufins, I didn't think it was too long but I did want less humans more robots. I actualy liked the Matrix of Leadership which is part of the Transformers universe. I guess it was exactly what I expected so I wasn't dissapointed. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 02:43 PM @Whitey, Matanuki & Bob I hear what your saying guys and you make some good points. I think that a comparison with Batman isn't realistc though as the whole Batman story is a lot darker and grittier and allows for a more serious dialogue and clever plot. Transformers has always been a story where good battles against the odds to win over evil in a cheesy way. Maybe a more serious take on it would have worked, i doubt we'll ever know, but i'm glad they stuck (mostly - and yes one of the few things i didnt like was that they made up a few charactors) to the whole sentiment of how its always been. I suppose what i'm saying is that imo all Bay needed to do to make a great film was to have great special effects, great fight scenes and a plot that was easy to understand/made sense as i can overlook any other perceived bad points. An oscar winning story line just wasn't needed. As ika5263 says when your a massive Transformers fan i think its hard not to love it. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 02:50 PM In reply to this comment (#2517234) Same here, I had the same expectations walking in because I knew Bay's name was on it. I thought I was going to enjoy it, I liked the first one, but I was pretty bored by. The action didn't do much for me because I had already seen the same fights before, except the battle in the woods. I mostly found myself hanging out with REALLY annoying characters for 2 and a half hours- Sam's roommate and mom. ADAM.S- Yes but Batman originally was pretty cheesy when the original comics were being made. But why because something is based on a silly source material does it mean that the movie gets a pass for having a weak story? Thats just a lack of imagination and work on the writers parts then. Pirates of The Caribbean was based on a theme park ride and had a good story with developed characters. Also the "oscar winning story line" is a bad excuse too, Star Wars and Raiders weren't trying to be oscar movies and they were being made for the exact same reason Transformers is, entertainment, and yet they had good coherent stories. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 03:00 PM In reply to this comment (#2517224) @ Jokerboy You said that the story made no sense, while it may not have been the most inteligent plot i thought it was quite easy to follow. And like i said your entitled to your opinion. What i was questioning was why you would go out of your way to comment on the net about something you didnt like? Not that your not allowed to comment. Anyway i can agree to disagree. I enjoyed it and at the end of the day thats all that matters to me. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 03:03 PM i also wouldnt say the story was incoherent. Lets just say that for me the good far outweighed the bad to the point where the bad points dont mattr to me (no films perfect after all) (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 03:08 PM In reply to this comment (#2517252) How am I going out of my way? I like to talk about movies whether they be good or bad, I don't see anything wrong with that. You more so went out of your way to comment on why I didn't like the movie, and now you say you only care what you think. I did think the story was messy and it kept throwing new crap in, maybe I didn't follow it because I kind of stopped paying attention at the 90 minute mark where I was just completely bored. Thats fine that you enjoyed it, I kind of understand, but to me it was the same as the first film except bloated and filled with annoying characters. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 03:13 PM In reply to this comment (#2517252) That's the point, man. Here we talk about movies, like em or love em. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 03:18 PM In reply to this comment (#2517212) I think it would be great if a human character urinated on another human in the next film. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 03:34 PM In reply to this comment (#2517262) I think it would be great if everybody urinated on Michael Bay. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 04:15 PM Well thanks for your response joker now I guess the movie will still make millions even if the critics don't like it. I mean it opened with 60 million on its first day so im assuming they'll be also set. The avatar movie that coming out this december seems interesting though. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 04:21 PM In reply to this comment (#2517268) YES! (Reply to this) |
on Jun 25 2009 04:27 PM yeah who cares what the critics say big dumb fun is all the movie is supposed to be , I seen it and it was awesome! could have did a little less of the human aspect , but seeing the bots kick *** was great! theres a reason why it made 60 million in one day, eat your words critics! (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 04:44 PM In reply to this comment (#2517285) LOL. I had a feeling you were responding to me. Confirming it just made it funnier. ;-) (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 04:46 PM In reply to this comment (#2517285) So Captain, what's this I hear about you saying TF2 is gonna be better than Cameron's Avatar? tsk tsk. Time for you to stop eating the red berries, my friend. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 05:48 PM In reply to this comment (#2517292) So you're saying because it made 60 mill. critics should feel shame? Yeah, MONEY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH QUALITY!! I'm not saying the Transformers is bad, I haven't seen it, and probably won't, but saying it made money so it's good is a weak argument. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 09:23 PM In reply to this comment (#2517239) Adam S: No one is asking for an Oscar winning screenplay, just a serviceable one. I'm sorry, but Spider-Man and Iron Man are not dark, were kind of campy in their original form, and turned out serviceable screenplays with good characters and a fun intriguing plot with great action and some sort of subtext about sociopolitical themes that kids and adults can watch together. That's what I'm looking for in an action movie. Even for kids the amount of swearing in the Transformers movies is unneeded and ridiculous as well. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 09:28 PM In reply to this comment (#2517284) Stanley and The Fantastic Bri-Bri: Opening day grosses don't mean anything except that it was a highly anticipated movie. We'll see how it fares in the long hall with word of mouth and repeat viewings. I found the ending very tedious and exhausting from all the shaky cam and robot fight close ups, and there were too many annoying characters which will keep me away from repeat viewings, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 09:30 PM In reply to this comment (#2517284) I can't wait for Avatar, early word from scene screenings and such is that you feel like you're visiting another world that you don't want to leave, and when your done you just want to go back. Most anticipated movie of the year for sure! (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 10:31 PM In reply to this comment (#2517466) @whitey: Yeah, I've been hearing the same thing and I think Cameron might be onto something when he suggests that there is something about the way your brain interprets things in 3D that is totally different from how views things in 2D. If he's right, it's gonna make for a lot of repeat business with the 3D surcharge attached :). I, for one, am gonna catch it in both 3D and 2D. The aspect ratios are different, and I want to be able to compare. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 25 2009 10:48 PM "Avatar" has to be awesome, to make up for the 15 minutes of James Cameron talking on and on and on at E3, WITH NO FOOTAGE OF ANYTHING! (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 26 2009 07:38 AM Ok, like most on this post I have scene the movie - took my son opening day. I was less than impressed with the movie. Alot of the fight scenes weren't as good as the first movie. I agree with the comments about the 'Twins'. They played no real part in the movie other than sounding like idiots from the hood. The language could have honestly been toned down ALOT - most of it was not needed to improve the plot. And of course there were alot of sexual inuendos that weren't needed as well. But I am guessing these writers/producers feel it's needed to sell tickets. Any parents of young kids be cautioned before taking your kids! Side note - I saw Hurt Locker about 3 months ago and it was AWESOME. It will give everyone a new perspective on what the men and women in the armed forces are experiencing in Baghdad (having just returned myself). I would definitely recommend it as your July 4th movie. Let's just hope that if there is a Transformers 3 they bring in more characters and a better story line!!! (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 26 2009 01:14 PM In reply to this comment (#2517625) @Matt M: I would love to watch THE HURT LOCKER this weekend, but it's in such limited release that I won't be able to :(. The second that I can, Bigelow et al. have my money. I just wish I could have seen it as my July 4 movie. As for TRANSFORMERS 3, you know it's happening, but word is that Bay will not direct. Fingers crossed that it'll be good! (Reply to this) |
on Jun 26 2009 02:20 PM Can't we all just get along? ;) Whatever. It's Michael Bay. Why on earth anyone expected this movie to be something it's not, I'll never know. I'm gonna smoke a fat fresh blunt to shut my brain off, and watch this movie with giddy glee. Giant robots blow stuff up right? Check. Megan Fox runs around in tight clothes right? Double-check. Michael Bay flicks serve a purpose, folks. It's a singular, shallow purpose, but he's really good at it. Let it be. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 26 2009 06:43 PM In reply to this comment (#2517827) How are people expected it not be a dumb action movie?!? Who has said they expected greatness?!? I went in thinking I was going to enjoy it like the first movie but instead I was bored by its- annoying characters, bloated running time, repetitive action, and there were a lot of moments where I was laughing at the movie (slow motion autobot heaven). (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 28 2009 07:29 PM Okay, straight up. I went to this movie and it was freakin' awesome. Jokerboy, no disrespect, you're not wrong but the things you complained about didn't bother me in the least. It was a gongshow of hell-yeah moments that completely satisfied what I was looking for. Megan Fox was crap, and I loved it. Anyone who has a problem with her is for the gays. I'm just sayin'. Wikkid fun. Go and see it, bring a mickey of rum, and it's pure thrills. (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 28 2009 07:35 PM Go Michael Bay, go Megan Fox's titties, go giant robots. Go baby go!!! Shallow fun is sometimes the best fun. And I didn't look at my watch once. Hell yeah, keep it comin'!!!! (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 28 2009 07:35 PM Go Michael Bay, go Megan Fox's titties, go giant robots. Go baby go!!! Shallow fun is sometimes the best fun. And I didn't look at my watch once. Hell yeah, keep it comin'!!!! (Reply to this) |
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on Jun 29 2009 02:56 PM I'm heading out tonight to see Tranformers and I just wanted to say thank you all for the great input youve posted on this site. Seriously, i usually read a few critic's reviews before i see a movie(just to get a taste before i go), but in all honesty, id rather relate to the common moviegoer's opinion/experience and you guys do a great job of informing me(not to mention entertaining me, hehe)on here. Ive been a daily visitor of RT for 2 or 3 years now and im still a newb poster but i hope to be sharing my opinions from now on. Anyway, Im going into this movie expecting badass robots beating themselves mercilessly and spectacular CGI/sound effects/visuals/and megan fox..thats about it..oh and of course for the plain and simpl fun it should be to watch. I enjoyed the first alot for what it was and am hoping to be "awesome popcorn movie!!" satisfied. (Reply to this) |
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on Jul 06 2009 10:25 PM this movie really sucks...who said all transformers fans are going to love it?!?! cuz i'm not loving it... (Reply to this) |
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